Posie Parker in the USA

[lucydo]

I am aware that there already long threads on this, but would anyone mind just giving me the basic information about what so many people are objecting to? Is it just that she has attended an event run by a Right Wing organisation? Or is there more?
It just looks like a pile-on by left-wingers on my twitter feed.
In all events, it's a TRA dream - divide and rule.
Again, before anyone flames me, I know that there are 2 long threads on this, but I gave up the will to read them after people going on about breakfasts for post after post.

I agree with lang

Its fine to be angry...anger is a great power in my opinion, if used the right way

But it would be a great shame if it meant that the board loses important voices

I'd be very sad to see Materialist go.

Responding to a personal attack in kind is unhelpful - turn the other cheek, ignoring and rising above are a great strategy.

I get really cranky when I read advice like that, or "when they go low, we go high".

Everyone's different. Why are women always advised to ignore, rise above, take the high road, be the better person? That's like telling women to 'be womanly' - or the popular view of what a woman should be.

The reason so many women admire Posie is because she's a Fuck You And The Horse You Rode In On woman. Classy and tasteful gets ignored.

I consider myself to be that most old fashioned of things - an internationalist leftist (by which I do not mean this neoliberal free movement aiding capital rather than people business).

We need you, Anne/Materialist, so that we can understand the lay of the land for our sisters outside the UK and offer the best internationalist solidarity we can!

Me too and I hope you come back soon Anne. I've found your posts really informative.

I know this has been picked up already but I would also like to hear what this is based on:
I don't believe for a second that the Heritage Foundation was literally the only place that would host such a meeting.
It seems perfectly believable to me but if you have any evidence I would very much like to hear it. If you don't - well the kindest thing I can say is that it's a very careless comment in the current climate.

Wake me when the vilification of radical feminists for talking to the right is turned with the same ferocity to the left who refuses to allow radical feminists to speak.

Well put. Please don't go!

I don't believe for a second that the Heritage Foundation was literally the only place that would host such a meeting

Ive a one word answer to this

Milwall

It seems perfectly believable to me but if you have any evidence I would very much like to hear it. If you don't - well the kindest thing I can say is that it's a very careless comment in the current climate.

Having seen the difficulties faced by women in the UK who tried to hold meetings...I don't know how anyone could believe that the situation in the US would be different.

Elizabeth
You don’t know how much I like reading your stuff

Very clear and can understand
Not somevwafty academic words
It’s really obvious what some ppl are trying to do
Posie is someone that ordinary ppl can identify with and very clear and puttin* her life on hold why she does this
For us. For all women and girls

She actually does give a fuck but doesn’t give a fuck what pl think of her
She gets on with action. I am proud of her and what she is trying to do
She has brought this to the attention of ordinary peopl and says it out loud what everyone is thinking

I agree with littlbrown

Its good to have clear voices everyone can understand

Its really important to me!

I wish you would stay Anne. I really value your POV and your insights. You are such a valuable poster.

This has been such a horrible week - I am trying very hard to take a step back at the moment because I don't think it's doing my MH any good.

I hope you reconsider when the dust has settled

I agree with you rowan 😉😉
Owing the haddock on sky news reaches far more ppl than a non debate on women’s hour on radio 4

But should say we should be getting heard on all sorts of places

I wish you wouldn't go too Anne/Materialist

I've learned so much from you and will miss your posts

Materialist, Elizabeth, Anne

I am sorry to see you go and hope you come back. I always enjoy your clear headed posts.
I also find it hugely helpful to have your perspective and explanations from the USA.

I Mumsnet benefits greatly from the international users and the knowledge they bring and as said upthread, the gender cult having started in the US, we need to look at what is happening there to inform us here.

And, yes, since the push for genderism originates in the US, you are quite right that stopping it there at the source is vital.

Sorry about my comments about the HF being the only place to host such a meeting. I guess I was thinking that you can hold a meeting anywhere (e.g. in someone's house!) but that's probably a bit academic since it is raising the profile that you're looking for.

The rest of the comment still stands. I understand that the political climate is different in the US. I suppose it all depends on what PP et al wanted to achieve. Was their aim to change things for US parents and trans kids in the US? Because that wasn't what Posie said in her initial video. She said it was about confronting Twitter.

She said it was about confronting Twitter.

Did you watch the videos from that meeting? I don't know which thread they were linked in, but one of them was on the subject of twitter, and its anti-woman bias.

Sorry to see you go Anne, I hope it's a short break and you come back.

The left will not come to women’s side on this.

This is true on both sides of Atlantic.

I love Posie because she doesn't pussyfoot around these issue. She tells it straight. She says what most people are thinking. She's fearless.
I'm a bit pissed off that people assume because she's focusing on this issue, which is HUGE, it automatically follows that she doesn't give a fuck about any other feminist issues. This is nonsense. She's chosen her battle, that's all. There will be other days and other battles..

Thabk you. @AnneHutchinson

I love Posie because she doesn't pussyfoot around these issue. She tells it straight. She says what most people are thinking. She's fearless.

I remember the shock I felt the first time I watched GG on a youtube video, and she said straight out that transwomen are men. Then I wondered "why am I shocked that someone said that?". In the face of TWAW, we need to have people who are strong enough to talk about reality.

So the trans issue has highlighted MAJOR probems in academia, which implicates ALL of academia and all that comes out of those institutions, major problems in politics, media, and in tech companies. I dont know whetherpeople relaise how HUGE what was revealed by TERF is but its immense.

The tribalism appears to correspond to dead bits of the existing political spectrm as far as I can see.

On the left, you are discussing elite feminists reproducing hteir own identity using resources they have which largely came on the back of women being marginalised, who didnt notice equality being rolled back with austerity. but did notice trans rights, you have the left who are a direct threat of fascism. No tribe with these priorities will ever seek to address the dysfunction revealed by TERF because it means their own identity is threatened and the idea the right wouldnt also reform here is absurd, but there is a very serious diffference between free speech that includes Tommy Robinsons right to do as he chooses and womens rights which include the right to be protected from what men think htey should be free to do.

I think the outcome of the online tribalism and tribalism around media will be one thing and one thing only and it wont be making women heard, and it wont be defending womens rights. Tribalism requires identity at the centre an dthen requires certain behaviours, and those behaviours mean the issue at stake gets lost.

I think its interesting ut no more. I think women need to be making themselves heard and those with political resources should be facilitating that, but I think human nature is what it is and trialism is what it is.

Tribalism requires an identity at the centre, it requires that identity become the aim of the tribe and hten it requires people defend that identity regardless of reality.

If tribalism was going to make women heard it would have done by now. The rule of law underpinning this is about marginalisation, abuse, and power, and all tribalism does is demonstrate how that is maintained. Am sorry but thats it, and I wont e taking either side.