Posie Parker in the USA

[lucydo]

I am aware that there already long threads on this, but would anyone mind just giving me the basic information about what so many people are objecting to? Is it just that she has attended an event run by a Right Wing organisation? Or is there more?
It just looks like a pile-on by left-wingers on my twitter feed.
In all events, it's a TRA dream - divide and rule.
Again, before anyone flames me, I know that there are 2 long threads on this, but I gave up the will to read them after people going on about breakfasts for post after post.

I don't agree with everything Posie says or does, but by God I admire her gumption, as others have said, the Left will simply not countenance any debate on this issue, Posie is taking the platforms she can get.

I don't need to hold hands and sing kumbayah with every woman the world over to be supportive of womens right, I can actively dislike another woman, or any number of them, and still advocate and be supportive of their rights.

grinitch. thank you for that, and I'll look read it. But can you tell me how the previous video on this thread fits in with all this?

Can’t you just read the other threads on this? Why the need for another post?

Don’t shoot me if I get it wrong, but my understanding is there’s a bout of historical unease with Posie because she’s been critical of how women are treated in other religions.

I'm not sure if it's just about that. Some of her tweets about Muslims don't have anything to do with how women are treated.

because they're incredibly long, and TBH I lost the will to live with all the posting about breakfast. I'm sure it was all very clever and amusing, but I didn't get it. I can't see what's wrong with respectfully asking for clarification.

The time for purity politics is over. Besides, do you think the tra's stick to one side of the political divide? No. They are everywhere, influencing policies from all sides.

Exactly. All lobby groups engage with both sides to achieve their aims. Let's not pretend TRAs haven't engaged those on the conservative side in order to change law and policy.

As for invalidating the GC argument there is nothing that Posie, or anyone else for that matter, could do that alters biological reality. She could offend every person on the planet but it still won't magically make people change sex or make placing rapists in women's prisons acceptable.

So I watched the video link. Where does the Heritage foundation fit in with this? Are they opposing the Bill?

Yes of course they oppose the Bill, anyone with a hint of morality would do the same

ok - it just wasn't clear

The saying goes that if you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas. You can twist and turn it any way you like but this leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. Espousing these ultra right-wing religious and fundamentally anti-feminist groups despite, to outward appearances, having common cause on trans issues, is not a good look. Their reasons are nothing to do with the erasure of women or women’s rights, on this issue their motives are rooted in hatred and bigotry.

This is pretty much an own goal imo, sometimes the end does not justify the means.

"British werewolf in America" would be a better title for this thread.

What’s wrong is you’re rehashing a topic that is discussed in multiple threads now and it’s a distraction from other issues. I think it’s a bit much to say, I can’t be bothered reading anything, explain it to me.

The issue is with the people she’s with not neccesarily left vs right.

The heritage foundation and the people she met opposes same sex marriage, abortions, contraception...

The heritage foundation is profoundly racist and wrote an article stating Hispanic people will always be intectually inferior to white recently.

They said they will help trump ‘drain the swamp’

Some people think that by turning to organisations like that, we are taking away our stance on trans issues from a ‘feminist issue’ into a ‘hate issue’

Many people agree that there are issues with the transgender movement and the detrimental effect it will have on woman, pairing up with organisations that may be seen to have an issue with the transgender movement that are nothing to do with woman’s issues, is not something that a lot of people are happy with.

Can’t you just read the other threads on this? Why the need for another post?

They are very long. I hadn't seen the latest action or Dr Stock's reaction until this thread.

www.gaystarnews.com/article/video-lesbians-harassing-trans-woman/

This seems to be the video which is being criticised. My random thoughts are:

1. This is not remotely the same as surrounding someone on a stairwell with masks on, urinating on someone's door or putting someone's photo on twitter with comments that they are transphobic and you need to get your baseball bat out. It's worth noting again the vast difference between the worst behaviour on both sides.

1. It's still not acceptable. The office may have been in a public building but she was at work in a private meeting- what they did was harrassment. There was no attempt to have a constructive conversation, it was just attention seeking.

1. I agree with Kathleen Stock that that this was really unhelpful. It allows TRAs to justify the accusation that GC feminists are transphobic and will put off many people who would otherwise listen.

1. It further reinforces my perception that Posie acts from a place of dislike for 'otherness' rather than concern for women.

we are taking away our stance on trans issues from a ‘feminist issue’

Feminists don't own the issue though. Women who don't consider themselves feminists are entitled to hold a view on the subject as well.

Feminists don't own the issue though. Women who don't consider themselves feminists are entitled to hold a view on the subject as well.

They are. And some people are being rather disingenuous about their own "stance".

Ok from a ‘woman’s issue’ then.

Yes people who just plain dislike trans people for other reasons such as religion or bigotry are perfectly entitled to hold an opinion. A lot of people are not happy to lay down with them to get the job done. I certainly wouldn’t be. A lot of people also have an issue with them trying to disguise their hatred as concern.

Someone who opposes a woman’s right to abortion, contraception, or to marry her girlfriend quite frankly does not give a shit about woman in my opinion.

But anyway I’ll probably get more abuse for saying that and I cba. Just wanted to explain to OP what the issue some people had was.

The TRAs have positioned themselves into every strand of politics in the UK - deliberately - for their own gain.

Their lack of coherence and commitment to any issue other than their own makes me wonder if they just sat round a table and drew straws for who went into which party.

They see a gap and they fill it.

Watch the video of the panel who were hosted by the Heritage Foundation - Julia Beck's contribution explains the situation perfectly.

For me personally, women and girls' rights and protections are the most important thing and I can agree to disagree on other stuff.

And let's face it, the TRAs are actively trying to divide and rule - it's probably their biggest weapon.

"Women who don't consider themselves feminists are entitled to hold a view on the subject as well."

I would also add men who are fiercely GC as well.

What’s wrong is you’re rehashing a topic that is discussed in multiple threads.

The whole trans topic is rehashed across numerous threads. It's hardly a big problem.

I think it’s a bit much to say, I can’t be bothered reading anything, explain it to me.

And yet several people have been happy to explain it to the OP. If you're not, fine, don't post.

This is me. I speak for no-one but me but this is me:

I'm perfectly clear where I stand in general politically.

I'm perfectly clear where I stand with regard to trans issues.

Sometimes, people who disagree with me politically agree with me on trans issues and vice versa.

A lot of people want me to change one because of the other FOR THEIR OWN ENDS. I will not do that. I will not be proselytised or hectored or lectured about this.

End fucking of.

With you on this Lang.

Totally agree with donquixote.

The behaviour in the video was unacceptable - both by being unhelpful to those concerned for women in this, but also it was not acceptable to behave that way towards that woman.

It does however ill behave Adrian Harrop to be tweeting about how all of us have enabled this, while seemingly unaware of all of the similar or far worse threats and intimidation by those he agrees with, but has failed to call out (with the exception of doxxing PP’s children).

Oxytocindeficient, many topics get discussed on multiple threads. Distracting from other issues? That’s some disingenuous bullshit right there. This is an issue that needs airing across multiple threads because I’m probably not the only one who wants to know who I’m getting into bed with.

If you’re going to court American women then court the middle ground, the ones yes, with concerns about trans rights impinging on their own but you’re not going to get a huge take up because we have far bigger concerns in the current political climate. American women are seeing their healthcare, workplace and educational rights being rolled back and overturned and the people front and center in doing it aren’t TRAs, they’re PPs new best friends and they have the clout in Washington to do so which TRAs don’t.

I’m sick of all this ‘ it’s an own goal, it gives them ammunition to say xyz’, when they were saying xyz anyway.
Pussyfooting around them doesn’t help. In fact, it actually makes things worse

That's why 99% of people aren't pussy footing around.