Posie Parker in the USA

[lucydo]

I am aware that there already long threads on this, but would anyone mind just giving me the basic information about what so many people are objecting to? Is it just that she has attended an event run by a Right Wing organisation? Or is there more?
It just looks like a pile-on by left-wingers on my twitter feed.
In all events, it's a TRA dream - divide and rule.
Again, before anyone flames me, I know that there are 2 long threads on this, but I gave up the will to read them after people going on about breakfasts for post after post.

My opinion put simply - say you’re a woman who’s just been raped. What do you fear the most? What is the biggest issue? The man who did it to you or the transwoman at your refuge?
Say you fell pregnant from that rape and required an abortion, are you more thankful that you have the right to do so? Or would you not mind if you didn’t have rights to have one as long as the person who helped remove those rights, also faught for a transwoman to not perform the internal scan?

Woman’s rights and the issues surrounding them are the most important thing for woman in any situation, even if they do not realise it.
Woman’s rights are far more complex than the transgender movement. We mustn’t forget the real woman who need feminists in their corner, while fighting the straw man.

early

Sorry if ive got this wrong but i thought you werent keen on self id

Or an i thinking of someone else

Not sure what my point is here just trying to figure out what’s really going on!

I think it's just power struggles within GC activism, whether those partaking realise that's what they're doing or not. Human nature, I suppose.

Compare to the far more ruthless genderists though - where's the soul searching over their own bad actors (worse than any feminist bad actors, I might add) such as Karen White, or their own totalitarian tactics (baseball bats, vexatious litigation, etc)?

I'm not getting involved in GC activism power struggles other than to condemn them. All women welcome to do what they can, how they can, when they can, as they see fit.

"I won't be obeying the orders of elite left feminists any more than I will be obeying the orders of genderists or the orders of men or the orders of right wingers."

I dont like being bossed about

Tends to make me pissed off

We're not fighting a straw man, Early. You can do what you like, obviously. But don't try to dictate to others what they should prioritise. I see this as the greatest threat to women's rights in a century.

No I disagree completely with self ID, still wouldn’t rub shoulders or condone doing so with anti-woman organisations to fight it.

"teaming up"... even when women are not "teaming up", we are accused of it because of course they don't want us to team up. Strength in numbers. And when we do, we have to deny it.

THIS IS STILL DIVIDE AND CONQUER Putting women on the back foot. To have to deny, explain, defend, be confused, doubt, second guess. Are we teaming? what is teaming? Should we team? But with who... But, but but... Its a psychological brain freeze. IT IS A TACTIC, A WEAPON.

Did anyone notice in the LizGlitch, thread a parting comment by Liz? "...I hope at least this has been diversionary". DIVERSIONARY... exactly.

Wake up to the game women! Know our enemy. We don't have to be like them, but we have to know how they play the game (and they love the game, games are fun, mind games are even more fun).

My DH has always said that one of major the downfalls that women as a class suffer from is our ability to turn on each other. Be it at school, work or politics. Men do better at protecting any other man, regardless of his views, niceness, evilness or likeability, because they recognise better that that man represents them. It takes more for men to truly turn on men.

It doesn't matter whether patriarchy is to blame for this women's in-fighting, or anything else, I think that sadly and to my chagrin, to a large extent he is right. I expected more smarts from some women involved in the public divisions.

If we don't stop this ridiculous calling out for nothing at all, or for some bigger differences, women as a sex, a SEX, as a sex class, are done for, and some women will have done it to other women.

Again, this is not a test. This is 1984. This really is psychological warfare. Happening now, in real time. This is it what it looks like.

The idea that ‘being unable to identify woman’ will lead to an erasure of rights and policies that only effect woman such as breastfeeding, periods, abortions etc is what I meant by straw man. The threat of men coming into woman’s spaces under self ID, is obviously very real as it’s what is being proposed as policy.

McBride is also a public political figure, who was there that morning representing HRC in an official capacity at the Cannon House Office Building, encouraging Congress to support the sterilization of minor children in the guise of a human rights agenda of “acceptance” and “inclusion.” McBride was there that morning to argue that girls in school have no right to bodily privacy when changing for gym class or when first managing menstruation in what should be girls-only bathrooms. McBride was there to argue for an end to girls’ sports, because they want boys to be able to join the girls’ sports teams. McBride was there to overturn decades of women’s rights advocacy, at the head of a movement that has brutally silenced women who dissent.

Isn't it amazing how that could be turned around into 'horrible women attacking a poor defenceless innocuous transwoman who was minding her own business in her place of work :( "? So much lying and bullshit and propaganda. How the TRAs hate Posie, they're desperate to discredit her.

We give in to this, 'they' will be able to do anything. We will be putty. This is not a test. This is the real 1984.

...made me think of that Manic Street Preachers' song If you tolerate this then your children will be next.

"teaming up"... even when women are not "teaming up", we are accused of it because of course they don't want us to team up. Strength in numbers. And when we do, we have to deny it.

THIS IS STILL DIVIDE AND CONQUER Putting women on the back foot. To have to deny, explain, defend, be confused, doubt, second guess. Are we teaming? what is teaming? Should we team? But with who... But, but but... Its a psychological brain freeze. IT IS A TACTIC, A WEAPON.

>>>>>Did anyone notice in the LizGlitch, thread a parting comment by Liz? "...I hope at least this has been diversionary". DIVERSIONARY... exactly.

Wake up to the game women! Know our enemy. We don't have to be like them, but we have to know how they play the game (and they love the game, games are fun, mind games are even more fun).

This ^

Given that TRAs think the “trans issue is the most important issue” to the point of literally defending paedophiles and murderers if they say they’re trans

Disgusting behaviour imo, no excuse for it.

No I disagree completely with self ID, still wouldn’t rub shoulders or condone doing so with anti-woman organisations to fight it

Please stop reading things into my posts that aren't there

Its just you said that was anti trans rights ...or have i got myself confused

I think it instructive that Early is quite so invested in persuading GC activists to concentrate on other things yet purports to be GC. It's an interesting way to spend one's time as a GC person.

I think it instructive that Early is quite so invested in persuading GC activists to concentrate on other things yet purports to be GC. It's an interesting way to spend one's time as a GC person.

Isn't it.

Just remember that the Christian / fundamentalist /political right holds to very similar ideas about gender being innate as do the 'genderists'. In fact, they are a variety of genderist. Many are also homophobic. Not so long ago there were multiple posts on here noting the prevalence of trans identifying children in fundamentalist Christian /right wing households and the rampant homophobia and rigid adherence to gender roles in these households were frequently cited as reasons why.

For those choosing to buddy up with the right please do not forget this.

What do you fear the most? What is the biggest issue? The man who did it to you or the transwoman at your refuge?

If I’m at the refuge and the rapist isn’t pursuing me, it’s obviously the PTSD trigger right in front of me that’s the biggest issue.

Similarly, women who need abortions are still allowed to have choices over their healthcare treatment, including the choice to not have a man shove a giant probe up their vagina.

I find it very, very sinister that getting raped or needing an abortion are situations where women are somehow supposed to forfeit their rights, by this weird logic.

Isn't it amazing how that could be turned around into 'horrible women attacking a poor defenceless innocuous transwoman who was minding her own business in her place of work sad "? So much lying and bullshit and propaganda. How the TRAs hate Posie, they're desperate to discredit her.

Words are powerful. The event could have been reported:

"Two British women fighting for women's rights and childrens welfare forcefully ask questions about women's rights and children's safeguarding of influential male lobbyist. Influential lobbyist ignores feminist academic Dr Julia Long whose area of expertise is male violence towards women and children.

There was a case were a woman was suing regarding breastfeeding at work

One of the points made ( and it wasnt the thing that swung the case...its was just brought up) is that it wasn't discriminatory as men can lactate

They were talking about born men, not transmen

Obviously it failed on that point...i say obviously but it probably wasnt

But i can without question see a future instance where a case fails because (trans)men can lactate and therefore its not sex discrimination

i dont know what the answer is to be fair to everyone...but if you cant name it, you cant protect it

It's an interesting way to spend one's time as a GC person.

"Look over there!"

To have to deny, explain, defend, be confused, doubt, second guess. Are we teaming? what is teaming? Should we team? But with who... But, but but... Its a psychological brain freeze. IT IS A TACTIC, A WEAPON.

So why are we responding to the same people, saying the same things, asking us the same questions, distracting us intentionally and pretending to be GC to boot? Nothing new is being said or discussed so I’d welcome others to the threads discussing what’s been going on. IMO this is a waste of all your time. It’s been debated to death on numerous threads.

I’m not telling anyone to concentrate on other things. I’m saying not to disregard the fundamental foundations in which woman’s rights are formed thanks to decades of feminists campaigning, to fight one issue.

Not slow spartacus, that’s quite rude, lots of people have said the same.

Please tell me how being ‘unable to define a woman’ will mean that the aforementioned laws and policies will be outlawed? Do you think our judges/employers/justice system will suddenly forget?

Oh wait, a man and woman can have an abortion, let’s make it illegal.

Oh yeah and men and woman can breastfeed, so no more breastfeeding rights.

Please, as if they’ll make life more difficult for us when men are affected too.

The big issue as always will be sport, womans refuge/prisons and roles filling their woman quota with transwoman. This is an issue, extremely so under Self-ID.

Good points, YetAnotherSpartacus.

However, I would also point out:

a) the UK does not really have a significant religious right political force so this argument applies more in the US

b) this whole furore is about work to prevent a single bill passing in the US, which is currently seeing a nascent left/right alliance in regard only to this single bill, with all participants stressing to their followers that they will continue to strenuously oppose each other on almost everything else

All these worries have already been addressed.