Posie Parker in the USA

[lucydo]

I am aware that there already long threads on this, but would anyone mind just giving me the basic information about what so many people are objecting to? Is it just that she has attended an event run by a Right Wing organisation? Or is there more?
It just looks like a pile-on by left-wingers on my twitter feed.
In all events, it's a TRA dream - divide and rule.
Again, before anyone flames me, I know that there are 2 long threads on this, but I gave up the will to read them after people going on about breakfasts for post after post.

oxy

Excellent point

Please, as if they’ll make life more difficult for us when men are affected too.

How will men be affected?

Sorry oxy

My opinion put simply - say you’re a woman who’s just been raped. What do you fear the most? What is the biggest issue? The man who did it to you or the transwoman at your refuge?

What about if the man who did it to you is the transwoman at your refuge?

the UK does not really have a significant religious right political force so this argument applies more in the US

Yes, but given the title, I thought this was a given (genuinely) . I thought it was about UK feminists in the US.

Plus, teh intarwebs do make borders a bit more hazy these days, at least ideologically if not politically.

with all participants stressing to their followers that they will continue to strenuously oppose each other on almost everything else

I missed this. I've been away dealing with something significant in my personal life. Can you show me where this has been clearly stated?

I think, too, that those 'on the left', or, probably more accurately those UK women and their US sisters with 'real' GC views, whether fuelled by feminism or something else, need to be really, really clear that they do not condone any gender fundamentalism or essentialism.

I think they also need to be very, very clear that they strongly disagree with publications disseminated by groups such as Culture Guard (in another thread) which include 'The Health Hazards of Homosexuality'.

As a woman who has been gang raped, I’m sickened that question is even asked. I had, still have, many fears and immediately afterwards I wanted to be near NO MALES. I still do not want males in places where I’ll be vulnerable. I don’t list my fears in order ffs.

indieshuffle "My DH has always said that one of major the downfalls that women as a class suffer from is our ability to turn on each other. Be it at school, work or politics. Men do better at protecting any other man, regardless of his views, niceness, evilness or likeability, because they recognise better that that man represents them. It takes more for men to truly turn on men."

I kind of agree. We see woman as rivals for men's affection, or other women's affection, for the good job or promotion or simply because we are socialised to compare ourselves unfavorably to other, younger, prettier women in the media.

Men do this too, may be not the last example! But what men seem to have the 'ability' to do is to turn into a 'pack' when the situation calls for it.

The reason that women do not do this as much is maybe because it's not ladylike and we are socialised not to!

oxy it was in response to the posters (possibly you also) saying that this is the biggest issue facing woman
As someone who’s faced a lot of injustice, abuse, assault and more on account of my biology, I personally find that statement offensive.

So why are we responding to the same people, saying the same things, asking us the same questions, distracting us intentionally and pretending to be GC to boot?

You need to bear in mind that there are a lot of people like me who read these threads. I'm not very well up on feminism, not very intellectual, don't understand a lot of the language used or the political theories. I need to be able to grasp ideas on an emotional level.

With you on that juells

I personally find that statement offensive.

I don’t care, I find pretty much all your disingenuous contributions offensive. So what.

The ‘pretending to be GC’ makes me laugh.
I’ve responded to many threads, sports/prisons/self ID I have always just posted a quick comment of support and listened.
If I don’t agree with something I’m entitled to state my opinion, even if it goes directly against what the majority of posters think.
I’m not scared to say what I think because you will all think I’m a TRA or whatever.

As a woman who has been gang raped, I’m sickened that question is even asked. I had, still have, many fears and immediately afterwards I wanted to be near NO MALES. I still do not want males in places where I’ll be vulnerable. I don’t list my fears in order ffs

Oxytocindeficient It is an appalling question to ask, to demand be answered. Shocking.

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oxy You do seem to talk to me a lot for someone that doesn’t care what I have to say

Also responding to me saying of the abuse I’ve faced as a woman with ‘I don’t care’ is pretty rude actually. Something a man would say. I see you hun

Oxytocindeficient

R0wantrees thank you so much. I’m amazed that the response from Early, supposedly so concerned about rape etc, offered no sympathy whatsoever or even acknowledgement 🤷🏾‍♀️ It’s not my only assault and it may not be the last- I’ve been flashed by an older boy in changing rooms when I was little so I’ve got a real fear of public spaces like that. It’s amazing some do not understand how the trans issue intersects every single other women’s rights issue. Well maybe not so hard to believe when you read their contributions...

Early, my response was to your comment that you find anyone saying this was the biggest issue facing women as ‘offensive’. Don’t twist. You offered me no sympathy, you get none from me.

One thing I'm not quite getting is how do people think that Posie being in the room belonging to the Heritage Foundation will be used as leverage?

Are there going to be lots of right-wing people saying see, even radical feminists think we're right about anti-abortion?

How's that going to work?

this is the biggest issue facing woman

That’s what you found offensive, to which I replied: I don’t care. Nothing to do with any abuse you suffered.

God you’re unbelievable

Earlywalker

"Also responding to me saying of the abuse I’ve faced as a woman with ‘I don’t care’ is pretty rude actually. Something a man would say. I see you hun"

The "I don’t care" was clearly to your "I personally find that statement offensive."

There was no mention of the abuse you have suffered. So your comment is very much misrepresenting what was said!

So your comment is very much misrepresenting what was said!

Of course, it’s pretty common behaviour from Early. The person ignoring someone else’s abuse, was actually Early themselves.

I’ve said I found it offensive because of the abuse I suffered.
Would you be happy if I said I don’t care that you find the question sickening? Even if your reasons are because of your abuse?

Sorry cross posted.

Rgis kind of sniping does womem no good. I have immense sympathy for all who have suffered abuse of any kind.

Very sadly we have much that United unites us both good and bad.

with all participants stressing to their followers that they will continue to strenuously oppose each other on almost everything else

I don't remember you (sorry) - so many people change names so often. However, I have been here since October 2016 and with only the same name and I am wary of allying ourselves with the right. I'm not quite sure that I follow all the nuances of the debate about whether genderism (or gender fundamentalism or essentialism as I prefer to call it because I remember these terms from the second wave) is the biggest issue, but I am generally wary of single-issue campaigns and I will always personally put women's ability to control their fertility as a major feminist issue.

The fundamentalist Christian right is older, richer, more experienced in political organising and a fuck of a lot more powerful than we are. I do think we need to be very wary of who is in control here and of being used. It's also deeply, deeply patriarchal and misogynist.