Jean Hatchet deletes Twitter account

[sueanddumplings]

Seems to be some suggestion that it's as a result of the reaction to her blog post criticising Posie.

@faintlyridiculous

I'm not sure what you mean?

I paid £400 for a ticket on a plane and visa and bit and bobs etc. I was then going to be hosted by a WoLF woman paying for a house in Washington and subsequently by Posie Parker in New York paid for by Standing For Women. I wasn't very happy with the bits I hadn't paid for. Didn't I make all this plain in my blog?

What I also have a right to do is say when I'm tired. I'm taking a very short break as I'm sick of the negativity at a time I most need to be positive. I have to fight to keep my body healthy and also my mind strong in order to try to keep cancer at bay. Currently I'm hoping I can be well for as long as possible.

I'm proud of the activism of women up and down the country right now. I don't care if they are "branded" by Posie Parker t shirts or not. I support their actions and hope they achieve a change in some people's minds. The stuff they are doing is brilliant. Well done to all the "resisters" movement.

Absolutely and you must take good care of you and 'live well'

The photographs of statues thoughout the UK are amazing, so many women involved throughout the UK.

Inspiring thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3492065-ReSisters-standing-up-for-adult-human-females-Thread-title-edited-by-MNHQ

Jean much love and and to you.

The fact is we none of us know that the forum isn't being bombarded by TRAs trying to force a wedge and make a mountain out of this.

You don't have to explain anything.

ReSisters did a great job didn't they

The attacks have happened on Twitter, as per. I honestly think that it’s not worth being on a forum like that and that’s the reason this escalated. Although, arguing isn’t that big a deal to me. Seems like most people are understanding and willing to move forward together on this important issue.

@WunderBlah yes they did! Fantastic work.

@Oxytocindeficient but Twitter is where I post my ride for murdered women. It's where my project started. It's where I honour women's names and stories

I take note of how people respond to a boundary. You can tell a lot. Jean had every right to set a boundary. That was what brought us here, trans activists using twitter todemand that women have no boundaries that are not centrally decided by twitter and to dictate what women said using certain techniques. I note when they are being used. Tribalism is toxic and it always follows the same patterns.
Context matters. Jean is not public figure, she is a woman, who stood up when she had cancer, like all us generating personal risk. Not one woman stood up as far as I know to fall behind a figure who must be above question and abusive dynamics rely on that always. Whether its a spouse, an organisation, a group. If you have political views be proud of them, but when women say they wont stand with you learn how to deal with rejection without having to play mean girls and go trashing lives and pretending there isnt a context.

Mobbing women on twitter because they wont accept men are women is abusive, mobbing someone on twitter because they wont stand with you because of a pre-existing political position is not ok and there is no unity that demands allegiance and refusing to learn from behaviour.

This should not be the cost of standin with women and we are at early doors, and when it is th ecost of standing with someone it is telling you something. Come stand with us but if you deviate from groupthink we will go after you? You can always take that at face value.

Jean, I just want to say thank you for everything you do. Nobody should expect more than you are prepared to give and I think some people get a little caught up on one single issue and can't see the bigger picture. We need both types of people to move forward.

Follow your conscience, it’s what makes you, you

Jeanhatchet I understand. I found out about self ID etc from your Twitter, which I followed because my dad was violent and stepmother died due to his actions- committed suicide rather than murdered. I just see so many decent people abused and upset from what happens there. There must be a better way than Twitter, to share and inform about your rides...

Everyone has every right to set a boundary.

What they don’t have a right to do is invite themselves on a trip and then dictate terms, take massive umbrage that they weren’t invited to speak, hijack the event and ruin everyone else’s hard work and planning for an important week of action for everyone else.

Too many narcs wanting to play Billy Big Bollocks whether that’s at the House of Lords or this Washington event.

I don't know what I would have done in Jean's situation. You have to do what you feel is right. Maybe what Posie is doing will turn out to be a good idea, maybe it won't and the same with Jean's decision but you can only do what you think is best at the time.

Jean - I am vvv impressed at your riding after all that operation and stuff! GA knocks me for six for months on end! Keep on doing what you do best and what you feel is right

Politelygiveszerofucks This is a democracy. Yes she does have the right to say I wont stand there, she does have the right to discuss the mode of organisation she encounters, she does have the right to be part of something and realise that this is something she cant do. You appear confused over what a boundary is. She has EVERY right to set that boundary, every right to say I dont think was ok, and to let other women know that that is the environment. For some it may not be a problem and that is fine, for others it may be a very big problem, and noone is harmed by knowing what reality is.

People are harmed by twitter tribes who have lost their minds and cant see context swarming someone tod emand they retract a boundary because it injures their identity. Women are harmed and have been harmed by twitter tribalism seeking to deliberately harm them to silence them and I dont recall her demandin you share it.

It is ALWAYS a red flag when someone says that abuse should fall down on someone as reasonable punishment for setting a boundary and we live in a democracy and women have the right to make informed decisions. Jean's post allowed that at least. Its always a red flag when someone says basic boundaries are an injury to identity. And this whole episode is educational.

Politelygiveszerofucks when you are discussing exercising power in a democracy your actions are always up for discussion and people always have the right to say no, I dont stand with that and I dont think thats good. When you are working hard to exercise power, then part of it is expecting to be accountable. With social movements that accountability is not straightforward. And I take note if someone is being trashed for holding a pre-existing political position. I also take note when people expect to act in a democracy and use intimidation to prevent discussion. Which is what mobbing someone is.

@Politelygiveszerofucks

I don't recognise the things you describe very much.

Lisa Muggeridge, I think you are slightly missing Politelygiveszerofucks' point. This great week of action has been overshadowed for me because of this unnecessary drama.

@Politelygiveszerofucks

I think reading this thread could be of benefit to you

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3492242-Navigating-differences-of-opinion-between-GC-women

I particularly like this quote from ArcheryAnnie

I think public disagreement with each other is a feature, not a bug, as long as we argue about the issues and don't slate each other.

Only person being swarmed is Posie.

Doesn’t this strike anyone as odd? Here are two women crying that they're being attacked on social media and having to close their social media to protect themselves. On social media.

Why close your Twitter/say this is your last blog/video then move somewhere else to talk instead/post more blogs/videos? Under your own name so that everybody knows it’s you?

To the more cynical among us it looks like attention-seeking behaviour and victim creating.

Also riddle me this.

No-one knew Jean was going so why did she need to explain herself knowing she risked the aims of the trip and handing ammunition to the enemy.

I’m outta here.

Politelygiveszerofucks Utterly batshit. Noted.

Only person being swarmed is Posie.

I, and many others, have spent the past few days endlessly defending Posie's right to make her own decisions about the alliances she makes and supporting her events in Washington.

Almost all of the FWR regulars have pointed out thousands of times over hundreds of posts in several threads that we stand equally for Posie, her work and her decisions, and Jean and her work and her decisions.

What we are objecting to is a Twitter feud being carried over onto FWR.

Oh Girlstalk I got Politelygiveszerofucks point. Entirely.
Social media narcs follow the same pattern relentlessly.
This is about the figure they have in their head, their dysfunction and you cant undermine a week of action about free speech ofr wpmen by women expressing free speech.

‘Utterly batshit’? What’s all this I’ve been reading in FWR about not responding to people’s different opinions with personal abuse...?

Fantastic points by Politelygiveszerofucks

Why make a private argument public? Why choose when the people you are attacking publicly can't respond as they are in a plane? Why detonate a bomb then close yourself down to any fallout? Then move onto another social media platform to continue it? This was obviously done as a personal hit to Posie, and an attempt to give TRAs ammunition to rip feminism to pieces with the timing as calculated as the rest of it. Instead of concentrating on the great work many feminists are doing all people are talking about is Jean and how hard done she is. No one would have been aware she had pulled out of this, or was even going, had she not posted her blog. Why, if you are so keen on self care, would you ever think about posting something that you knew would come back and smack you in the face and cause such tension and division?

Everyone take a deep breath.

Both women have a lot of love here. It’s ok to critique their actions. Just let it drop at some point though huh. They both do such good stuff.

Girlstalk, I know this feels like its working for you but its not. This weekend people have been very vocal about Posies right to her position and Jeans right to hers, your difficulty wit htis and you indulging in this behaviour is not about me. Its not behaviour I take part in, best defence against narcissism like this is not being its mirror. You keep demonstrating what happens to women who say things you dont like though...we are all taking note. Really. Say no and let the rage demonstrate why that no was necessary. Never fails.