Courting the far right is wrong....

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...if you follow that with a ‘but’ to justify Posie Parker’s courting of the far right, then you are a fascist.

I said I would only post one thing on this board. I kept that promise.

But this is the pits right here. Posie Parker is seeking funding and making deals with white supremacist, crypto fascists, misogynists, homophobes and racists. How does this not show you what your movement is and has always been?

You need to look at yourselves. If your response is anything other than total rejection of posie Parker and all the groups she is involving herself with, then you are just as bad. If you think that trans people/‘trans activists’ are worse than Tommy Robinson, ultra trump supporters and others who spew far right views then you are a racist, sexist, homophobic nightmare. Those labels equally describe what a person is as well as what a person does.

“But what about TRA’s?” Some of you will want to scream at me.

You don’t see Paris Lees going off to get funding from literal fascists. Hell, Caitlin Jenner votes for trump and the global trans community has never and will never forgive her. And either way, none of what “they” do will magically make it okay to go suck up to people that think gay people should be sterilised or that Muslim’s are evil.

Transphobia is revolting. It’s wrong, and it comes as no surprise to hear that transphobia (which most of you peddle right here) will eventually push people towards other kinds of hate.

Take a long hard look at yourselves. I’m a transgender woman, a mum, and I hope at least some of you are seriously thinking about what kind of person you want to be.

Is there a reason that you didn't post this on the relevant thread? #nodebate?

I want to be me.

I hope that helps.

Ah, DFOD . Perhaps have a long hard look at yourself accusing women of wrongthink just because they don’t agree with you. You’re quite right arguing that two wrongs don’t make a right, so perhaps start with yourself on that one.

Transphobia is wrong, I expect all regular posters here agree with you on that, no one thinks it’s ok to victimise or harass someone because they are trans. Transphobia is not permitted here and if you report transphobia it will be deleted. I suspect your definition of transphobia may not be particularly reasonable however. You simply cannot demand that everyone agree with your beliefs and essentially cry blasphemy if they don’t.

Do you have any verifiable evidence for these accusations being levelled at Posie Parker at least?

I don't know if it's as simple as 'posie parker is a fascist and Paris Lees can do non wrong.'
Paris Lees has been to prison for armed robbery. Paris has said horribly misogynistic things justifying catcalling which can be terrifying for women.
www.vice.com/en_uk/article/zn7b79/enjoying-catcalls-paris-lees-column

Aimee Challenor enabled Baloo Challenor into a position of power in the green party while he was being investigated for the abduction and sexual assault of a little girl.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/aimee-challenor-father-rape-election-agent-green-party-investigation-a8725701.html

Jess Bradley has flashed jess bradley's penis on a train and in jess bradley's place of work.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6003331/Britains-official-transgender-student-officer-suspended.html

Kellie Maloney tried to strangle Kellie Maloney's wife and blamed kellie maloney's Trans status.
www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/kellie-maloney-tried-strangle-wife-5920750

I think you're on a sticky wicket acting as though the trans community is squeaky clean and feminists are all awful.

medium.com/@JonnnyBest/the-story-of-my-first-brush-with-trans-activism-and-what-i-learned-3ef13e31fd37 this article is by somebody who is a gay activist. It's interesting to read.

I'm a lesbian and the rhetoric about the cotton ceiling has bothered me since 2012. I've known young women who've been pressured to have sex with people with penises and that is coercive.

If your ideas are important to you then defend them on their own merits.
I don't need heroes or spokespeople.
To me, the idea that gender is in your brain and more important than your physical sex is antifeminist and regressive.

If you think differently, then say why.

Can we have evidence for Posie Parker seeking funding from far right groups, please?

Germaine Bunbury would like to remind everyone that some people just love harvesting screenshots.

Also, if one's contribution to the creation of a child is semen then one is not and never can be that child's mother.

Maybe you can actually debate and explain why would are right and we need to follow you?

I like posie and the fact that she says what she thinks. I don't necessarily agree with everything she says but I sure as hell respect her right to say it. Shame you don't believe in free speech op.

This is the thread you need OP:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3489450-Jean-Hatchet-new-blog-post

I thought that maybe 1 response would be “what posie did was wrong and abhorrent.”

Instead, justifications, defences and accusations that I am against free speech because I think working with racists and begging them for money is wrong.

Instead of looking at me, or posting links to the alledged crimes of trans people, look at yourselves.

Paris Lees has been to prison for armed robbery. Paris has said horribly misogynistic things justifying catcalling which can be terrifying for women.
www.vice.com/en_uk/article/zn7b79/enjoying-catcalls-paris-lees-column

Aimee Challenor enabled Baloo Challenor into a position of power in the green party while he was being investigated for the abduction and sexual assault of a little girl. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/aimee-challenor-father-rape-election-agent-green-party-investigation-a8725701.html

Jess Bradley has flashed jess bradley's penis on a train and in jess bradley's place of work. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6003331/Britains-official-transgender-student-officer-suspended.html

Kellie Maloney tried to strangle Kellie Maloney's wife and blamed kellie maloney's Trans status.

It's almost as if dodgy as fuck people have highjacked the trans activism for their own agenda, and want to silence and discussion because they are dodgy as fuck
But that can't because because acceptance without exception!™®©
Everyone is who they say they are all of the time.

Can we have evidence for Posie Parker seeking funding from far right groups, please?

Any evidence for those accusations OP?

Post on the other thread and enlighten us all.

Instead of looking at me, or posting links to the alledged crimes of trans people, look at yourselves.
It's weird when your own tactics are used against you isn't it. Deflection doesn't really work.
There's already a thread about this.

Yes - I’d like to see the evidence too.

Can we have evidence for Posie Parker seeking funding from far right groups, please?
You seem to have missed this question op.

Evidence, what's that?

Many people have discussed this on the other thread. Go and read it mate.
Do not come here and demand we do and think as you say.

Sos. I couldn’t get it to post and y’all beat me to it.

...if you follow that with a ‘but’ to justify Posie Parker’s courting of the far right, then you are a fascist.

This calling everyone fascist/nazi/bigot because they don't agree with you is pathetic. You must imagine most of the population would support Hitler if you think Posie Parker is the definition of fascism.

Transphobia is revolting.

Of course it is. It horrendous. Why does that mean women can't discuss feminism or try to defend their sex-based protections? You trivialise transphobia by saying everything and everyone is transphobic.

transphobia (which most of you peddle right here)

Quote please. If you can find someone peddling transphobia I'll report them. Do you seriously imagine that none of us have trans friends or family or are trans ourselves?

Onetimething I don’t like Posie P. She doesn’t speak for me and I’m sure she wouldn’t want me to speak for her. She is not an elected leader and people have different reasons for being in what you call a ‘movement’, like free speech, inequalities rooted in sex and worries about safeguarding. But even people like Helen Lewis who do not agree with Posie P at all and support self ID get called a terf and worse. There is a wider spectrum of views here than you think. The difference is that we feel we can express them.

Oh behold....

Couldn't just add to the existing thread eh?

I may be wrong but isn't asking for evidence transphobic?

Acceptance without exception kind of implies you believe what you are told without question?