Courting the far right is wrong....

[OneTimeThing]

...if you follow that with a ‘but’ to justify Posie Parker’s courting of the far right, then you are a fascist.

I said I would only post one thing on this board. I kept that promise.

But this is the pits right here. Posie Parker is seeking funding and making deals with white supremacist, crypto fascists, misogynists, homophobes and racists. How does this not show you what your movement is and has always been?

You need to look at yourselves. If your response is anything other than total rejection of posie Parker and all the groups she is involving herself with, then you are just as bad. If you think that trans people/‘trans activists’ are worse than Tommy Robinson, ultra trump supporters and others who spew far right views then you are a racist, sexist, homophobic nightmare. Those labels equally describe what a person is as well as what a person does.

“But what about TRA’s?” Some of you will want to scream at me.

You don’t see Paris Lees going off to get funding from literal fascists. Hell, Caitlin Jenner votes for trump and the global trans community has never and will never forgive her. And either way, none of what “they” do will magically make it okay to go suck up to people that think gay people should be sterilised or that Muslim’s are evil.

Transphobia is revolting. It’s wrong, and it comes as no surprise to hear that transphobia (which most of you peddle right here) will eventually push people towards other kinds of hate.

Take a long hard look at yourselves. I’m a transgender woman, a mum, and I hope at least some of you are seriously thinking about what kind of person you want to be.

She is not an elected leader and people have different reasons for being in what you call a ‘movement’

Remember the 80% of the public who didn't want self ID (Pink news statistics) are still being peddled as "a few hundred radicals".

Technically this is a thread about a thread, yes? I thought HQ frowned on those.

The thing is, a few years ago someone claiming that if I did x I'd be a fascist, or a transphobe, or a 'racist, sexist, homophobic nightmare' then I'd have been concerned about it.

Now I see the fallacious logic. What you actually mean there is 'person who doesn't think what I tell them to'.

I think working with fascist groups makes you a fascist. I think having meetings with them to discuss the mutual hatred of trans people makes you a fascist. If a prominent trans person was talking openly about working with Tommy robinson, you lot would be freaking out and rightly so.

“But what about trans people!?” Doesn’t magically make this okay. That isn’t an excuse. If that is all you have, you need to really look at yourselves.

I saw the other post after I posted this one. If I did I would have added to it instead. So many different forms of justifications...

...think it’s clear who many of you are.

You seem to be implying that right wingers are somehow not permitted to be concerned about the rights of their female relatives. Slippery slope, sunshine.

What Posie and other feminists have in common with the other parties is that there are women in the other parties. Feminism is about supporting all women, even the ones you disagree with. Right-wing women have the right to privacy, safety, dignity, self-determination.

The relevant issue is that what we have in common with those other parties is what we do not have in common with you.

What about those of us who are transgender?

I thought that maybe 1 response would be “what posie did was wrong and abhorrent.”

For clarity, Posie went to America and met with various groups- some of which are Republican leaning and have links with other groups that are anti feminist, transphobic or homophobic.

I seen nothing that indicates she supports or associates with actual fascists.

I don't support Posie, for this and other reasons; but the right is not the far-right and she can campaign however she wishes.

Still waiting on the evidence.

Also this is a tired all TRA trope of dividing and conquering women.

Does it worry you that this tactic doesn’t seem to be working anymore?

I think working with fascist groups makes you a fascist.

Exactly what fascist groups are you accusing Posie of working with?

The EDL, the KKK, the Aryan brotherhood?

What proof do you have of this accusation, because otherwise it's slanderous?

In every society, there will always be a right wing, always a left wing and always centrists. Because people have different opinions on a range of things.
Sometimes an issue crops up that covers the full range, particularly if it affects half the people covered by the Bell Curve that describes the population.
I have more in common on this topic with a right wing woman than a left wing man. We all have more in common with other women on this topic, than with men, no matter what politics are involved.

Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy in behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who used to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with anymore. It doesn't matter who the individual women are.
Andrea Dworkin

If a prominent trans person was talking openly about working with Tommy robinson, you lot would be freaking out and rightly so.

We don't need to the trans cause has been hijacked by fidget people, there's plenty of stuff happening to make us freak-out without imagining people talking.

And we all know this would happen because #nodebate!

You are entitled to your own opinions, but not entitled your own facts (biological or otherwise). You are also not entitled to attempt to silence any woman via slurs or any other mechanisms. Bonus: you don't get to police our thoughts or opinions either. Hope that helps.

Follower of regressive, hyper capitalist, ultra libertarian, sexist, homophobic right wing neo-religion criticises followers of a different regressive, sexist, homophobic religion.

Pardon me if I'm not that interested.

Women can do as they please and do not need supervision by those not of their sex. If I had to choose between right wing religions, although I'd much prefer not to, I'd go for the one that hasn't forgotten how babies are made.

Repeat after me: there is nothing progressive about genderism. HTH.

I'm actually talking rubbish now.
Anyone noticed?

Definition of phobia is "an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something."

I haven't seen anything to suggest an aversion to trans people. It really annoys me that the word transphobic is used as an insult towards people supporting women's rights.

Yes Captainkirk - that is better than I put it. Even in political parties which are very small organisations in population terms, there are ranges of opinion. It suits TRAs to minimise numbers opposing them.

...if you follow that with a ‘but’ to justify Posie Parker’s courting of the far right, then you are a fascist.

That’s a false dichotomy. I’m not entirely surprised that someone who supports the idea of gender binaries so strongly, would argue a black and white logical fallacy.

Conservative does not necessarily equal far right. Theological positions do not disallow progressive social views. Support for Posie Parker does not equate with a desire for authoritarian control of the discourse.

Nobody paying attention would believe that women on this board are fascists, but people who have no respect for women evidently feel comfortable calling us names.

But hey, say thanks to the patriarchy for dropping by.

“I think working with fascist groups makes you a fascist”

Can you provide evidence that Posie Parker is “working with fascist groups” please?

I think AAKittens nailed it on page one.

Never mind. Croissants for breakfast.

I recall Paris Lees actively celebrating a new born infant being denied nutrition in its first days, because it was validating to have that infant harmed for an adults gratification. The New Statesman is not exactly the home of feminism after austerity and people have said they do not control or wish to control PP. Not that they agree with or ally with fascism. Under what authority do you think PP should be controlled? Who is this authority over women?

I've taken a long, hard look at myself OP.
I saw two glorious X chromosomes in every single cell (apart from my eggs which are just one X as only the male of the species can produce a Y) of my body. I will continue to work for the rights those chromosomes entitle me to due to the way XX holders (also known as women) have been treated historically and continue to be treated.