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Gamer raises $100,000 (and rising) for trans charity Mermaids by playing Donkey Kong non-stop

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FeministFrequencyFan · 20/01/2019 01:56

"Tens of thousands of pounds has been raised for transgender charity Mermaids, thanks to a Twitch streamer playing Donkey Kong 64 for an entire day.

HBomberGuy (Harry Brewis), a popular UK-based content creator who has more than 300,000 subscribers on YouTube, came up with an unlikely way to raise money for the embattled transgender children’s charity, which recently had part of its lottery funding suspended after a campaign from anti-trans activists."

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/01/19/mermaids-trans-donkey-kong-twitch/

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R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 08:35

re Guardian article above, Tom Hawking is a freelance writer based in Melbourne

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 08:47

Irish Times by Deirdre Falvey
'Graham Linehan: Trans activists ‘don’t realise the damage’ they do
Petition calls on RTÉ to drop the writer from ‘Prime Time’ report on transgender issues'

Graham Linehan has defended his views on transgender issues, in advance of an appearance on RTÉ’s Prime Time on Tuesday night.

An online campaign against the inclusion of the comedy writer in the Prime Time report has culminated in a petition to the broadcaster seeking his removal from the programme.

It reads: “We request that RTE reconsider their decision to air a segment featuring Father Ted creator, Graham Linehan on their upcoming Prime Time programme on trans issues in Ireland.

“Graham Linehan is not a medical expert and he is not transgender. He has frequently expressed transphobic views in public and has used his social media platform to denigrate transgender people.”

The station has said it “won’t be commenting on feedback received in advance of the programme transmission,” a spokesperson said yesterday. It says the report includes 10 contributors “representing a broad range of views” and examines “the exponential growth in the number of young people seeking to change gender, and the implications of the proposed new law allowing them to do so without their parents’ consent." (continues)

Linehan – an active Twitter user with 656,000 followers under his handle @Glinner – has tweeted extensively about transgender issues. While he has many supporters, his comments have opened him to online accusations of bigotry and transphobia.

Linehan outlines his view to The Irish Times: “I don’t think I’m saying anything controversial. My position is that anyone suffering from gender dysphoria, needs to be helped and supported.”

Linehan says he celebrates that trans people are at last finding acceptance: “That’s obviously wonderful.”

But, he says: “I disagree fundamentally with certain aspects of current activism. They don’t realise the damage done by certain outrageous claims.”

He “of course” agrees that gender dysphoria (defined as distress a person experiences as a result of the gender assigned to them at birth) is real, but has a problem with widening the definition of transgender.

He is sceptical of: “early affirmation” of transgender; self-identification of transgender; and “the actions of some activists, which will stop those genuinely needing help from getting it”.

“I’m afraid ultimately there will be a backlash, and it will be against LGB as well as T people.”

The award-winning Father Ted, Black Books, and The IT Crowd writer (who is currently co-writing a Father Ted musical) became involved in the issue after an episode of The IT Crowd in which Douglas Reynholm’s character unknowingly dates a woman who turns out to be transgender.

“I thought the episode was harmless. Though it could have been better,” Linehan says. After it aired, he was called a bigot on Twitter. Linehan distinguishes between the character, who is transphobic, and calling the episode, or himself, transphobic.

“Some people don’t see the problem repeating the dogma [THAT] trans women are women,” says Linehan, who has a problem with “privileged white people saying you must accept anyone who says they are a woman”.

“Some people have a seriously held belief that trans women are literally women. So if someone who identifies as a woman is attracted to a woman, they are considered a lesbian. There have been protests at pride parades in London and New Zealand, from lesbians who say this is affecting lesbians on the ground.”

Linehan says he is astonished the argument has got so far. “A lot of transgender people agree with me. I’m not transphobic. Because of this debate, I now have a number of friends who are trans, and they don’t agree with this dogma.”

He characterises some extreme trans activists who have “glommed on to the movement” as “a mixture of grifters, fetishists, and misogynists”. (There is no suggestion that those who petitioned RTÉ fall into these categories.)

“All it takes is a few bad people in positions of power to groom an organisation, and in this case a movement. This is a society-wide grooming.”

Regarding early transgender intervention for children he says: “Adults can do what they want,” but “it is dangerous to offer surgery and drugs therapy to young teenagers going through puberty who are gender non-conforming.

“There are lots of gender non-conforming children who may not be trans and may grow up to be gay adults, but who are being told by an extreme, misogynist ideology, that they were born in the wrong body, and anyone who disagrees with that diagnosis is a bigot.”

“It’s especially dangerous for teenage girls – the numbers referred to gender clinics have shot up – because society, in a million ways, is telling girls they are worthless. Of course they look for an escape hatch.”

“The normal experience of puberty is the first time we all experience gender dysphoria. It’s natural. But to tell confused kids who might every second be feeling uncomfortable in their own skin that they are trapped in the wrong body? It’s an obscenity. It’s like telling anorexic kids they need liposuction.”

“Not many people speak out about it, because people are terrified [of online abuse] and don’t want to get involved. I understand that. It’s hard to decide to subject yourself to [the attacks].”

Through talking about it on Twitter, he perceived that women were often shut down when trying to broach the subject. “Women would have the slur ‘terf’ [trans exclusionary radical feminist] spat at them by young men in beards.”

Linehan says he doesn’t regret speaking out. “I thought I was able to take it,” he says, though he admits that confidence was challenged when his wife was targeted online.

Undeterred, he will appear on Tuesday’s Prime Time at 9.35pm on RTÉ 1."
www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/graham-linehan-trans-activists-don-t-realise-the-damage-they-do-1.3765979?mode=amp

Oxytocindeficient · 22/01/2019 08:56

Surely the threats Emily Gorcenski is tweeting are classed as threats? Harassment?

nauticant · 22/01/2019 09:52

Gosh, they do seem to be rather aggressive:

twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087628993732509698

nauticant · 22/01/2019 09:58

I also meant to add this as being relevant here:

twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1087364360593379329

Oxytocindeficient · 22/01/2019 10:00

Okay so that’s a threat to everyone here?

I’ll contact MN myself, but what constitutes harassment legally speaking?

nauticant · 22/01/2019 10:08

I think it's more of a malicious communication than harassment (so far).

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/27/section/1

Oxytocindeficient · 22/01/2019 10:11

I think their tweets are far worse and targeted than anything Posie or Graham have been questioned about. How can someone threaten to dox a private forum and just get away with that?

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 10:15

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Gamer raises $100,000 (and rising) for trans charity Mermaids by playing Donkey Kong non-stop
Oxytocindeficient · 22/01/2019 10:33

I am just perplexed that these obvious woman hating people can get away with saying such things. He is literally harassing an entire forum, stalking us daily and making threats about our personal information.

What the fuck will it take to get this odious little man questioned by police then?

Oxytocindeficient · 22/01/2019 10:36

Can he be reported for malicious communication? How are the complaints with the GMC going? Is it worth me making one regarding these threats and harassment?

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 10:38

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R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 10:46

context

December 2018 article by Eve Livingston
'How an Online Forum for Moms Became a Toxic Hotbed of Transphobia'
(extract)
"Since 2016, Mumsnet—specifically its Feminism board—has increasingly found itself on the receiving end of criticism from trans people and their allies. “When I started using Twitter and engaging in the trans sphere in mid-2017, Mumsnet was constantly referenced both on my timeline and in DMs,” says Joss Prior, a trans woman who is part of a sizable trans community that monitors and discusses Mumsnet regularly. “The whole of the Feminism board was like a spectre hanging over the daily trans discourse.”

Prior points to the now partially-deleted but notorious 2016 “I Am Spartacus” thread in which a user asserted that “men cannot become women, ever. Women cannot become men, ever” and went on to misgender a number of trans men and women, including high-profile campaigners Paris Lees and Danielle Muscato. The post sparked thousands of supportive comments and is consistently referenced in up-to-date threads, with “I am Spartacus” acting as a shorthand rallying call for anti-trans feminists. Attempts have even been made to organize campaigning activity around the phrase.

In March of this year, Mumsnet was used to organize against Girlguiding’s trans-inclusive membership policy in collaboration with anti-self identification campaign group Fair Play For Women. Users also responded to Gender Recognition Act proposals that would allow trans people to self-identify with protests such as Man Friday, a campaign that encourages cis women “identify as men on Fridays" and partake in male behaviours like “manspreading and mansplaining” or to access single sex male spaces such as changing rooms, swimming facilities, or sports clubs.

“It’s a core group of a few hundred hardcore trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs), a tiny percentage of overall users,” says Christine, the mother of a trans child and also part of the network that regularly monitors Mumsnet. (Christine’s name has been changed for privacy reasons.) “Yet the Feminism board is just 90 percent discussions about trans people on any given day.” (continues)

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3445268-To-be-shocked-that-Mn-has-been-branded-a-hotbed-of-transphobia

QuietContraryMary · 22/01/2019 10:53

The Scottish Brown Party has put a motion in support of this before the Parliament

pbs.twimg.com/media/DxdEsudXgAAPCTU.jpg

(Is AC still a member of that one?)

Signed by 2 of the 6 Brown MSPs, 1 SNP (Bill 'I will castrate your' Kidd), and 1 Labour (Mary Fee).

'Northern Irish trans icon Bilbo the Cat'. Er? Is that some sort of furry? Diaper fetishist? Anime figure?

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 10:59

article by Helen Saxby as recommended by Janice Turner:

'I am Not and Have Never Been Gender Dysphoric'

(extract)
"Shulamith Firestone in ‘The Dialectic of Sex’ explains the Freudian Elektra Complex in terms of feminist theory, and examines the pressure on girls to simultaneously identify with the mother and to resist ending up like the mother. This observation about the female child hits home:

This is why she is so encouraged to play with dolls, to ‘play house’, to be pretty and attractive. It is hoped that she will not be one of those to fight off her role till the last minute. It is hoped she will slip into it early, by persuasion, artificially, rather than by necessity; that the abstract promise of a baby will be enough of a lure to substitute for that exciting world of ‘travel and adventure’.

I was one of those girls, like many others, to ‘fight off her role’. The insights of radical feminist and psychological theory would have been more useful in this situation than a gender ideology which places ‘gender’ as an innate quality rather than an outside pressure. Schools do not teach feminist or psychological theory but they do now teach gender ideology from an early age, via trans groups like Mermaids, Stonewall, Allsorts and Gendered Intelligence. If Mermaids had been around in my childhood, visiting schools with their GI Joe and Barbie gender spectrum theories, I know I would have identified almost 100% with GI Joe, and rejected Barbie in disgust.

(the gender spectrum see screen shot)

But still, I know I was not gender dysphoric.

What I also know is that if I had been told at the time that it was possible to have been ‘born in the wrong body’, that my identification with GI Joe (or Just William) meant that inside I might actually be a boy, I would have jumped at the chance to ‘change sex’. It would be like a dream come true: to continue to wear comfortable clothes and have a practical haircut, and to have my skill at football be a positive thing rather than a threat, and to make everybody call me by my boy’s name. Wow! What if that were possible? What power! What excitement! I didn’t want children anyway.

That is how I would have felt as a child. (continues)

concludes
"The dehumanisation of girls is made worse by trans culture. Girls can no longer talk about their own bodies or ask for their own safety, privacy and dignity to be respected, for fear of not being ‘inclusive’ enough. Ubiquitous adult porn tells them they are nothing but fuck holes, Teen Vogue calls them ‘vagina-havers’ and ‘non-prostrate owners’, trans culture tells them they have a ‘front hole’. Inclusive trans-friendly language means being referred to as bleeders, menstruators, cervix-owners, uterus-havers, egg-producers and non-men. In a masterclass of lack-of-empathy from the Allsorts trans toolkit, in an attempt to cast them as the oppressors of teenage boys, girls are referred to as ‘cis-gendered females’. The problem for girls is not that they identify as boys but that they identify as human in a world which treats women as less than human. When default human equals male, this can sometimes look like the same thing.

My experience of mental health problems as a teenager and young adult may well have looked very much like gender dysphoria to a teacher or counsellor subject to the influence of today’s ‘trans-awareness training’ as delivered by Mermaids, Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence, Allsorts and others. I would certainly have been ready to be convinced. In the despair and isolation I felt at being unable to ‘be who I really was’ in the world in which I found myself, a trans diagnosis would have provided welcome relief from crippling self-blame. I really really wanted ‘all the answers’, lots of young people do. Adults jumping in with ‘answers’ which involve a lifetime of synthetic hormones and medication, surgery, decreased sexual function, and infertility, are not always what young people need, especially as there is so little long-term evidence of the benefits.

It would appear from the evidence that fewer women transition than men, fewer women than men reach middle age and ‘realise’ they have always been the opposite sex, more women than men believe they may have been ‘transed’ mistakenly had trans ideology been around in their childhood, and within the growing detransitioning community there are more females than males. And yet, despite this, there is suddenly an explosion in the number of girls transitioning, and a whole new phenomenon of late-transitioning teenage girls, which has been labelled Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria. Coincidentally, we have had a decade or so of trans teaching materials and toolkits in schools. It is surely possible that mistakes are being made.

I am not and have never been gender dysphoric.

But trans lobby groups themselves are saying gender dysphoria is no longer necessary to being trans. I might have been, and could have been, diagnosed as trans. Stonewall et al insist that trans people are trans whether or not they have gender dysphoria, or hormones, or surgery, or any kind of treatment at all, at the same time as insisting hormone treatment for children must be started as soon as possible. Trans is now supposedly an identity, relying solely on the say-so of the person concerned. If I had been presented with the option as a child, I may well have self-diagnosed as trans. If I had been encouraged to believe there could be a different sex inside than the one on the outside, it would have made sense to me. It will currently be making sense to many young people. Children are suggestible, and troubled children more so.

In September 2018 Penny Mordaunt announced an inquiry into the sudden rise in the numbers of girls transitioning in the UK. There has been no further update on this inquiry or its methods, but it is essential that this time, unlike the 2015 Trans Inquiry, women are listened to. Trans people may be the experts on trans experience, but women are the experts on female experience, and we are the ones who know best, often through difficult personal experience, all the many reasons why girls today might strongly resist the process of becoming adult human females."
notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress.com/2019/01/21/i-am-not-and-have-never-been-gender-dysphoric/

Gamer raises $100,000 (and rising) for trans charity Mermaids by playing Donkey Kong non-stop
Gamer raises $100,000 (and rising) for trans charity Mermaids by playing Donkey Kong non-stop
Bittermints · 22/01/2019 11:03

I was just reading that Helen Saxby article earlier. It's excellent and I wish I could force every single legislator, gender therapist, transactivist and confused teenager to read it.

AugustL · 22/01/2019 11:05

U know... last night/early morning when using the site there was an (i) in top left corner where it usually has a padlock indicating its secure. And when I clicked it said connection wasn't secure and website had/could have images designed to trick you. Or something like that... anyone know? The padlock is back now...

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 11:20

last night/early morning when using the site there was an (i) in top left corner where it usually has a padlock indicating its secure

I think this is when there's a link to a youtube video or similar on the page. This page has 'i' (Magdalen Berns youtube) and the previous has padlock.

I noticed this a while ago.

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 11:21

I was just reading that Helen Saxby article earlier. It's excellent and I wish I could force every single legislator, gender therapist, transactivist and confused teenager to read it.
Bittermints that sound like an excellent AIBU thread!

AugustL · 22/01/2019 11:32

@R0wantrees

Thanks you for the reply. I don't see an (i) for this page with the YouTube link. For me there is a padlock. You see an (i) here, now?
I don't think it was on this thread either when I saw it, and I don't think it was on any page with a YouTube link. I've asked mumsnet.

AugustL · 22/01/2019 11:40

Just came across and starting to read this study from Finland published in 2015. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4396787/#__ffn_sectitle

Freespeecher · 22/01/2019 11:54

I was going to post the Guardian article on this but can see I've been beaten to it. Didn't know the writer was an Aussie though - looks like Claire Lehmann and Quillette have their hands full battling the woke over there.

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 12:13

AugustL thanks for the update.
I would be good to understand how it works.

R0wantrees · 22/01/2019 12:17

I was going to post the Guardian article on this but can see I've been beaten to it. Didn't know the writer was an Aussie though

The Australian Guardian team have published a lot of very pro-TRA articles, especially supportive of Hannah Mouncey (male transperson) who has being intent on competing in women's contact sports.

CF the American Guardian team's November article:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3412692-The-Guardians-US-Staff-are-Revolting

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 22/01/2019 12:19

Motion in Scottish Parliament about this

Motion S5M-15504: Patrick Harvie, Glasgow, Scottish Green Party, Date Lodged: 21/01/2019
Online Gamer, Harry Brewis, Fundraising for Mermaids UK
That the Parliament congratulates the online gamer, Harry Brewis, who is known by the handle HBomberGuy, on raising over $340,000 for the charity, Mermaids UK, by livestreaming a non-stop play-through of Donkey Kong 64 using the platform, Twitch; understands that Mermaids provides individual and family support for gender diverse and transgender children and young people; understands that it was chosen by Harry following pressure from a well-known television and comedy writer to have a planned lottery grant removed from the charity; believes that the live stream was joined by a global audience of supporters, ranging from US Democratic congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to the Northern Irish trans icon and campaigner, Bilbo the Cat, and hopes that the outpouring across social media and the volume of donations will go some way to reassuring transgender and gender diverse children and young people that they are welcomed, valued and will be supported.

Supported by: John Finnie, Mary Fee, Bill Kidd, Alison Johnstone, Mark Ruskell, Ross Greer, Sandra White

www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/28877.aspx?SearchType=Advance&ReferenceNumbers=S5M-15504&ResultsPerPage=10&fbclid=IwAR2h76-XSG40RHLm78WwpTLjlRdcdZJ8vqmRDbAjxDtAuaRQLXzmC3O-B4s

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