The Guardian's US Staff are Revolting

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Seems like the Guardian staff over-the-pond are leading a revolt against the Guardian UK's editorial stance, as it is "Transphobic".

They state "our journalism should be grounded in the principle that trans women are women"

The UK staff are pretty unpleasant too.

Good. Let's have more rational newspapers look on and witness how pandering to the terminally woke leads to the self-destruction of a newspaper. Obviously it's a shame to see a long-standing newspaper destroy itself but The Guardian, as it stands and how it's heading, isn't that much of a loss.

I can't believe I made it to the end of the piece.

Not just

Cis women's intolerance should not be a legitimate reason for limiting the rights of trans women.

but also

In the US, there is also growing mainstream recognition that phrases such as 'male-bodied' and claims that 'gender identity does not cancel out sex' are outdated and offensive.

Well, if they say so...

What a load of old bollocks, honestly.

And why the hell is The Guardian publishing bollocks articles that offer no evidence for increasingly bonkers claims?

Just when you think The Guardian can't get any worse.

They really do want to create a kind of Orwellian newspeak in which it becomes impossible to even talk about women's sexed bodies as the material background to women's oppression. And they are choosing to do this at precisely the time Trump has finally managed to entrench a conservative anti abortion majority on SCOTUS with a view to overturning Roe vs Wade - a direct, patriarchal, overtly misogynist attack on women's ability to control their explicitly female reproductive biology.

Extraordinary. I think that entire thread was even more woke than I've ever seen before.

I'm baffled at how can you describe someone who has a male body without using the term male-bodied if that is outdated and offensive. I'm starting to think we'd best abandon language altogether and just communicate by using grunts and pointing

Here's the thing.

If The Guardian is so transphobic, why don't these, ahem, journalists, resign?

That article is such a mess. It must be purposefully bad, surely? The British Graun are trying to break the TWAW bubble, so they're just going to keep publishing shit pro-trans articles until their readers truly wake up to this madness.

They cannot print something that poor and think it will convince people, surely?

I don't think that TWAW, but I could write a better TWAW article than that pile of shite.

I sense the wheels are coming off the juggernaut...

Am I missing something? The article is under the commentisfree banner but as far as I can see comments aren't open. Is it just me or can everyone else see the free flow of comments? Or are we being instructed to sit quietly while we absorb our lesson?

When I first read the thread heading, "The Guardian's US Staff Are Revolting," I took the last word to mean "rebelling" rather than "causing intense disgust; disgusting," which is how the Oxford (American) dictionary on my macbook defines "revolting."

Then I read the article & realized I was mistaken. The people who wrote it & their odious views are indeed revolting.

Guardian journalists in the US had no input in the editorial, which we felt was misplaced and misguided

It was an editorial about the GRA - a British law. Why on earth would they need input from the US journalists? Do the Americans think they should be making our laws for us now?

Am I missing something? The article is under the commentisfree banner but as far as I can see comments aren't open. Is it just me or can everyone else see the free flow of comments? Or are we being instructed to sit quietly while we absorb our lesson?

"Comment is free, except when we don't think it should be"

And facts are sacred? Haha. You're funny.

And yes, fuck off, you American centric, totalitarian, Trump obsessed, clueless, black and white, goodies and baddies, religion v "progressive" woke halfwits. Out of our politics and far away. We're not interested in your views.

I think people will carry on being recognisably male or female whatever the Guardian says.

The Guardian genuinely needs to look at its journalist recruitment policies.

And its editorial standards.

That article is an embarrassment.

I think this demonstrates the fundamental problem at The Guardian. As a whole, they don't actually believe anything. Not in the sense of having a set of values that can be attached firmly to a way of conducting politics. They believe in right-thinking as delivered to them by the right kind of people. Their analysis seem to stop at the boundary of "be nice to people who we identify with".

In this new complicated political world where left-right, black-white, etc are breaking down, being a weathervane is a path to extinction for a newspaper.

That article is a disgrace. As an ex daily Guardian reader of the print newspaper I hope they fold.

Please, please PLEASE can we have the Guardian’s US staff throw a load of T [testosterone] into Boston harbour and strike out for independence. That would be hilarious.

Honestly there are so many things wrong with that piece it’s hard to know where to start.

That article is such a mess. It must be purposefully bad, surely? The British Graun are trying to break the TWAW bubble, so they're just going to keep publishing shit pro-trans articles until their readers truly wake up to this madness.

I'm actually starting to believe this, and that there is a coded message from those inside.

Numerous academic studies have confirmed that trans-inclusive policies do not endanger cis people. On the contrary, there is overwhelming evidence that trans people, particularly women of color, are victimized at disproportionately high rates

Weird that journalists don't appear to understand the meaning of "On the contrary". They seem to think it means "Now, moving on to a completely different subject,"`

So just to clarify, the Guardian (UK) is pro-trans, yet it's not enough pro-trans for the Guardian (US) staff, so the US staff are very angry and magically assume they can dictate policy to the UK staff?

First, that just peaktrans more people so it's a good thing. Secondly, I apologize for the crappy american tendency to dominate everything. Thirdly, I am dying to tell an american liberal that since biology is a social construct, then they have no need to worry about silly abortion rights anymore -- just imagine you're not pregnant and poof! you won't be!

I think The Guardian is completely divorced from its readership.

I mean who the crap wants to read an article about what a few members of the newspaper's staff thinks about another article that the newspaper put out? Who would actually pay for that?

Even if the article was well-written and made decent points, it still doesn't matter to the readership.

A newspaper should not exist to validate the hurt feelings of its journalists.

The fact that this was published is indicative of a newspaper that has completely lost its way.

That Guardian US piece is like woke TRA bingo - 'cis' women and their 'safety' 'concerns'. The level of contempt for women's rights is amazing.

Reads to me like a bunch of woke lefties trying desperately to cover their arses with their TRA followers because the original Guardian UK editorial teetered about 2 millimetres to the right of the accepted gospel here in the US.

Reads to me like a bunch of woke lefties trying desperately to cover their arses with their TRA followers because the original Guardian UK editorial teetered about 2 millimetres to the right of the accepted gospel here in the US.

Absolutely. The Guardian can go down the toilet.