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Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices

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stumbledin · 19/01/2019 00:57

Women's march london is a fully intersectional and trans inclusive collective, as laid out in our guiding principles. We fully recognise trans women as women and sisters and welcome them to all our actions. We acknowledge that all who were assigned female at birth, including our trans brothers and some non-binary siblings share many of the same struggles and believe that the voices of trans men and AFAB non-binary people should always be heard and elevated in discussions of reproductive justice or menstrual equity.
We will not tolerate anyone who comes to our actions or our spaces with the intent to cause harm to others and believe that transphobia has no place in feminist action. Bread and Roses is an all genders action and one where we hope people of all genders and none can feel safe and welcome. If any trans sibling feels threatened or unsafe on the march we urge them to come speak to our stewards or one of the organisers and we will do our best to help.

www.facebook.com/womensmarchlondon/

www.womensmarchlondon.com/the-wmol-guiding-principles/

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AngryAttackKittens · 19/01/2019 14:12

I'm a lifelong feminist and leftist, and these people annoy the living shit out of. How much of a gift does that make them to people who hate both feminism and the left?

Sometimes I wonder if they were all created in a lab by Steve Bannon.

AngryAttackKittens · 19/01/2019 14:13

Out of me. Presumably out of many other people too.

JSmitty · 19/01/2019 14:24

"Sometimes I wonder if they were all created in a lab by Steve Bannon."

More likely by Uncle Vlad and his troll factory.

Putin's had a thing about bolshie feminists ever since Pussy Riot, and his new laws allowing domestic violence that leaves bruises but not cuts are having a chilling effect as desired.

Terfing · 19/01/2019 14:28

I'm just surprised that LOJ that the good doctor haven't turned up to lecture everyone on what it takes me to be a real woman... I think this crowd would be surprisingly receptive to that.

R0wantrees · 19/01/2019 14:39

With talk from the Women's March of whose voices should be elevated.
Today news that The Freedom Programme has likely been targetted in an attempt to silence the charity on Twitter.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3483567-IMPORTANT-Chris-Ashton-It-seem-twitter-have-shadow-banned-FreedomProgramm-because-women-don-t-have-penises-Ensuring-women-cannot-access-the-support-they-need-in-crisis

FlyingOink · 19/01/2019 14:40

I'm a lifelong feminist and leftist, and these people annoy the living shit out of me. How much of a gift does that make them to people who hate both feminism and the left?

Sometimes I wonder if they were all created in a lab by Steve Bannon.

Grin
merrymouse · 19/01/2019 14:41

HoC, what have we learned so far? Anyone? Anyone? …… anyone?

That with enough money you can ride out and benefit from any financial disaster.

Ereshkigal · 19/01/2019 14:46

She mentioned all the countries that have self ID (RoI, Argentina, Malta, Norway). Apparently she’d been to Malta recently and it was “really chill.”

There was a thread last year which provided some evidence that for Malta it was all about tax avoidance type stuff.

FlyingOink · 19/01/2019 15:07

Ereshkigal we had that story about the gym in Norway, Ireland we know doesn't really do self-id anyway, and Argentina - well they didn't start from sexual equality in the first place.
www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/09/argentina-senate-rejects-bill-legalise-abortion

www.nytimes.com/2018/05/15/opinion/argentina-abortion-ni-una-menos.html

www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/12/thousands-argentina-protest-acquittal-teenage-girl-murder-181206094117136.html

merrymouse · 19/01/2019 15:10

From Wikipedia:

Fifteen general elections have been contested since the granting of universal suffrage in Malta in 1947. Only 73 women have contested in these elections. The number of men, on the other hand, has exceeded 1000.

But everything is 'chill' in Malta.

R0wantrees · 19/01/2019 15:10

There was a thread last year which provided some evidence that for Malta it was all about tax avoidance type stuff

Malta does not have a good women's rights record.

AngryAttackKittens · 19/01/2019 15:13

These are the same people who a few years ago were gushing about Iran being "progressive" on trans issues.

Any time you find yourself writing the words "Iran is progressive" it may be time to reevaluate your life choices a bit.

R0wantrees · 19/01/2019 17:21

from the Just Giving page to pay for today's sound system:

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"Reminiscent of the 1912 Bread & Roses protests which revolutionised workers’ rights for women, Women’s March London will galvanise thousands for a Bread & Roses rally against Austerity in the United Kingdom. It is the common denominator in the rise of economic oppression, violence against women, gender pay gap, racism, fascism, institutional sexual harassment, hostile environment and Brexit.

With the imminence of Brexit, we want austerity to end and are demanding specific assurances from the UK government. It is time to eliminate the dividing line between the ‘Haves’ and ‘Have Nots’. Equality demands that we all get to thrive and not just survive. We demand Prosperity not Austerity.

Protesters will join the #WeAreChange call for action which is (i) a PLEDGE to protect and serve each other with love, unity and solidarity; (ii) a PROMISE to exercise our civic duty to vote in every circumstance that will shape a progressive society; and (iii) a CONVICTION to call out any racism or form of phobia we see online and offline.

The Bread & Roses Jan 19 rally will replicate the defiance and celebration of previous marches and rallies by Women’s March London, which led to thousands of people taking to the streets of central London. It will see people from diverse communities, faiths, sex, race, political affiliations and backgrounds stand up and show up to speak with one voice #WeAreChange."

www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/womensmarchlondon?utm_term=gPjmqvkkR

There's often a familiar tone.

as for pledging to call out all phobias, I think that's a big ask. Lots of folks expressing arachnophobia Hmm

JSmitty · 19/01/2019 17:42

Malta has a law which absolves a man who abducts a woman if she subsequently marries him.

(See Wiki "Women's Rights In Malta)

Knicknackpaddyflak · 19/01/2019 17:59

a CONVICTION to call out any racism or form of phobia we see online and offline.

Oh except gynophobia. That one's fine, keep ignoring that one.

Oh and racism doesn't include women of faith or cultural needs who can't prioritise men in their spaces: you can exclude and ignore them all you like.

Violence to women - well no, you mustn't look too closely at that one either, because there's definitely no identifiable group causing the issues and definitely no excuse for severely traumatised women not to prioritise the identity needs of men over themselves.

Oh go on then, excluding and isming any biological female with different needs and opinions is fine. They are only women after all.

But other than that, we're totally all anti phobias and isms and really convicted. Check our virtue cookies.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 19/01/2019 18:02

a PLEDGE to protect and serve each other with love, unity and solidarity

Unless they're disobedient women. By 'each other' we mean 'people who think like us and do as they're told'.

Gordon Bennet the sheer naivety and obliviousness to the obvious. It's like being stuck in a never ending school lunchtime with year 9.

R0wantrees · 19/01/2019 18:05

Gordon Bennet the sheer naivety and obliviousness to the obvious. It's like being stuck in a never ending school lunchtime with year 9.

Knicknack You are so right... perpetual year 9's!

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borntobequiet · 19/01/2019 18:33

I watched the original women’s marches after Trump’s inauguration huddled in a blanket on a holiday abroad that suddenly turned very cold, with only CNN on the TV. They were an inspiration.
I saw this march was on and thought I’d go. Then I saw Monroe Whatsitsface was a speaker. Stayed at home and baked instead.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think a lot of this is deliberate, aiming to silence women politically.

borntobequiet · 19/01/2019 18:34

Munroe whoops

Callmejudith · 19/01/2019 18:50

Look who is front and centre

Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices
borntobequiet · 19/01/2019 18:54

Glad I stayed at home

R0wantrees · 19/01/2019 19:00

Munroe Bergdorf:
"What an absolute honour to lead today's @ womensmarchlon and speak at Trafalgar Square. Days like today are a reminder that we are so much stronger together."

twitter.com/MunroeBergdorf/status/1086694394814713858

Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices
womanformallyknownaswoman · 19/01/2019 19:15

How it's headlined outs the wokeness of the publication -

Guardian: Women’s March 2019: thousands around the world march to demand gender equality

Evening Standard: Women's March London 2019: Thousands join global march in capital to campaign for women's rights

Guiding principles. It's gone from being women-centred to women saving everyone and every issue:

The Women's March on London is a women-led movement that brought together people of all genders, ages, races, cultures, political affiliations and backgrounds on January 21, 2017, to affirm our shared humanity and pronounce our bold message of resistance and self-determination.

In other words, it's been queered and is not about women anymore.
Below are some extracts from the Guiding Principles linked to above. in no particular order - it's all woke, libfem, gender centred and frankly garbled - could easily be dismissed as hot air as it covers so many, many issues:

We believe Gender Justice is Racial Justice is Economic Justice. We must create a society in which all women — including Black women, working class women, young women, disabled women, immigrant women, incarcerated women, Muslim women, Jewish women, lesbian, queer and trans women—are free and able to care for and nurture their families, however they are formed, in safe and healthy environments free from structural impediments.

Further, each year, thousands of women and girls, particularly women of colour, migrants and transgender women and girls, are kidnapped, trafficked, or murdered.

we stand in solidarity with the sex workers’ rights movement

burden of care falls disproportionately on the shoulders of women, particularly women of colour.

We must end the pay and hiring discrimination that women, particularly mothers, women of color, lesbian, queer and trans women still face each day in our country.

We firmly declare that LGBTQIA Rights are Human Rights and that it is our obligation to uplift, expand and protect the rights of our gay, lesbian, bi, queer, trans or gender non-conforming sisters, brothers and siblings. This includes access to non-judgmental, comprehensive healthcare with no exceptions or limitations; access to name and gender changes on identity documents; full antidiscrimination protections; access to education, employment, housing and benefits; and an end to police and state violence.

We believe in Gender Justice. We must have the power to control our bodies and be free from gender norms, expectations and stereotypes. We must break down the narrow standards of respectable Black womanhood and femininity deemed acceptable.

Notice this name: Phyll Opoku-Gyimah, Co-founder, trustee and executive director of UK Black Pride in included as one of the people named for shaping the text for the Women's March - a Stonewall Trustee. I also imagine someone like Ogilvy Pride UK has done the woke marketing and PR.