Women's March London says trans voices should be elevated over women's voices

[stumbledin]

Women's march london is a fully intersectional and trans inclusive collective, as laid out in our guiding principles. We fully recognise trans women as women and sisters and welcome them to all our actions. We acknowledge that all who were assigned female at birth, including our trans brothers and some non-binary siblings share many of the same struggles and believe that the voices of trans men and AFAB non-binary people should always be heard and elevated in discussions of reproductive justice or menstrual equity.
We will not tolerate anyone who comes to our actions or our spaces with the intent to cause harm to others and believe that transphobia has no place in feminist action. Bread and Roses is an all genders action and one where we hope people of all genders and none can feel safe and welcome. If any trans sibling feels threatened or unsafe on the march we urge them to come speak to our stewards or one of the organisers and we will do our best to help.

www.facebook.com/womensmarchlondon/

www.womensmarchlondon.com/the-wmol-guiding-principles/

I like that they recognise that transmen even exist, and have issues in commons with plain old women.

If elevating their voices "in discussions of reproductive justice of menstrual equity" means supporting terms like "menstruator" and "gestational carrier" then they can fuck right off

"Bread and Roses is an all genders action and one where we hope people of all genders and none can feel safe and welcome"

Sentences like this make me want to get a red pen out.

"Bread and Roses is for all people & we hope that everyone feels safe and welcome"

So, let me get this straight: transwomen are women; transmen are women; non-binary people 'assigned female at birth' are women; and non-binary people who were 'assigned male at birth' but now identify as women (like Jess Bradley) are also women.

So the only people who are men are the ones who were assigned male at first and don't identify as women.

The inclusivity only ever goes one way doesn't it?

On another thread it was mentioned that, with transmen being accepted as men, they're treated as male oppressors by TRAs and thus come below transwomen in the totem pole of interest groups.

Didn't think it was possible to go through more than one looking glass at the same time but here we are.

Yes thats 'transmisogyny' and means that transwomen must be centred by TRAs as well.

This is nice

R0wantrees

Gawd help us!

If Posie gets taken to court, we will show them what a proper women's march looks like.

OrchidInTheSun
see current thread,
OP howonearthdidwegethere wrote:
"The Scottish Government and female erasure:
They've extended a programme providing free sanitary products.

A whole press release and not one mention of women or girls.

news.gov.scot/news/expanding-access-to-free-sanitary-products

It's not the first time either. The last press release did the same:

news.gov.scot/news/students-to-get-free-access-to-sanitary-products "

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3483140-The-Scottish-Government-and-female-erasure

Yes thats 'transmisogyny' and means that transwomen must be centred by TRAs as well.

I think (but am not completely sure) that for some who subscribe to this aspect of the trans-ideology / oppression hierarchy add that non-binary transwomen are additionally oppressed and need further centring within the centre.

The explanations for this are a little tricky to unpick!

The explanations for this are a little tricky to unpick!

No shit.

So, when all is said and done, the Canadian tampon guy who wants his lady balls shaved is the most oppressed of them all, eh?

I was wondering what a good term would be for this new wave male centred feminism. I think Pop nails it with doormat feminism.

Bergdorf is incredible in many ways. I think wtaf every time.

And that emperor is still stark bollock naked. Marching about stuff and announcing stuff and putting it on nicely branded posters does not make it any less batshit, or convincing. The average woman is going to look at this and think - you're all mad. And go about their daily lives. Woman is a biological reality, that is the beginning and the end of it.

If Posie gets taken to court, we will show them what a proper women's march looks like.

This.

Every time I read or hear that sort of "especially trans women" and "must be elevated" stuff I picture the person who's saying it nervously curtseying, like if she doesn't one of the royal guards will chop off her head.

It's a fear/submission gesture. People don't act like that towards people who they see as disenfranchised, they act like that towards people who they believe have the power to crush them if they don't show respect.

People don't act like that towards people who they see as disenfranchised, they act like that towards people who they believe have the power to crush them if they don't show respect.

Exactly. Women do not treat other women this way.

Yes, exactly.

From the photos, it looks like Monroe is wearing a fur coat!

I hope it's faux!

This isn't about inclusivity or human rights or women's rights. It's about excluding people outside the tribe who aren't worthy of being sisters/siblings/comrades.

Dawn Butler MP (Shadow minister for Women & Equalities) was the keynote speaker at the TRA conference organised by Jane Fae, 'We're Still Here'

thread, 'We’re Still Here Conference 8th September: A report from the inside' OP, TheHarpySings wrote:
(extract)
"3) Keynote Speech: Dawn Butler MP: Shadow Women & Equalities

This speech was fucking cringe. She said she was an ally of LGBT but had got a lot of messages moaning at her for “betraying women”. “Despite the fact I AM a woman.”

She mentioned all the countries that have self ID (RoI, Argentina, Malta, Norway). Apparently she’d been to Malta recently and it was “really chill.”

She blames the Tories for allowing this debate to drag on. “It is cruel.”

The impact of self ID are “non existent”. She said if this had been done swiftly there would be none of the current fuss or transphobia.

She said

1. the LGBT community needs to mobilise
2. They need to contribute to the consultation
3. They need to change the tone of the debate (lolercaust)

She also went on to say that a “phobia” is an irrational fear and there are three treatments:

1. Hypnosis
2. Talking therapy
3. Immersion therapy

Apparently the only way forward to deal with transphobia is talking therapy. DB said that the conservation needs to be around counties that already have self ID and it’s “fine”

Hilariously, given that the audience contained fucking Dr Harrop, she said something like “keyboard warriors don’t know the consequences of their actions.”

DB: “Labour will champion the unheard.”

She said that this was another form of Section 28 on the trans community.

She then quoted at length from a song from “The Greatest Showman”. I wish I was making that up.

Also, she got cornered by Mermaids reps on the way out and is meeting with them and their kids soon." (continues)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398737-We-re-Still-Here-Conference-8th-September-A-report-from-the-inside

Independent article:
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dawn-butler-transgender-uk-labour-intersectionality-rights-a8534761.html

People who have virtue are oppressed and only people with virtue can be oppressed, so we can ignore Tory scum if we are on the left just as people on the right ignore 'lazy scroungers'.

I'm not sure who they are marching for or who they are calling 'women', but it clearly doesn't include me.

"She mentioned all the countries that have self ID (RoI, Argentina, Malta, Norway)"

Canada?

Incredible indeed.

In the literal sense.

It's about excluding people outside the tribe who aren't worthy of being sisters/siblings/comrades.

Well, trying to. And trying to force people to believe it's the new mainstream thinking. Where largely the mainstream is too busy with things like work and families and paying the bills to notice.

It reminds me of Peter Mandelson, whose distorted sense of self and personal importance I would love to hear a psychiatrist's assessment of, announcing that we were (because he said so) entering a 'post democratic era'. By which he meant democracy was no longer needed, because people like him would just make decisions on behalf of the proles so they could not bother their little heads with things they couldn't understand. And the bad ones who disagreed just hadn't yet got with the programme/needed laws to punish them and shut them up.

He failed to notice that at that point many voters entered a post politician era. This path, as we know, led to the magical joys of Brexit.

HoC, what have we learned so far? Anyone? Anyone? …… anyone?

People who have virtue are oppressed and only people with virtue can be oppressed, so we can ignore Tory scum if we are on the left just as people on the right ignore 'lazy scroungers'.

I'm not sure who they are marching for or who they are calling 'women', but it clearly doesn't include me.

I looked at The Facebook page and found it extremely irritating- not especially or particularly by the point being discussed here.

I think it was the combination of a nasty dig at Theresa May, someone wittering on about almost every thought in feminism having come from a black woman, the endless links to Guardian articles and the general air of superior sanctimoniousness.