Letter in the Times - Plea To The Trans Lobby from group of transsexuals

[PimmsnLemonade]

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/times-letters-reasons-for-private-schools-oxbridge-success-sqjb6kkgt

Glad to hear this, Leanne.

a local robin has just begun visiting my garden again.

Don't be taken in by their cuteness, they're vicious little bastards!

We had a robin in our garage

It used to drive bomb my dads bald head when he turned on the light

Happy times

Dive bomb

Though a drive bombing robin would have been just as funny

Little robin reliant

Anyway today is a good day, people have kindly been in touch, the sun is out here, and a local robin has just begun visiting my garden again.

I have much to be grateful for with what has happened recently If I can be of any help next year, I am more than happy to provide it.

So glad to hear this & thank you for posting.
There was only concern.

Its an important thing for us all to remember that when things feel overwhelming, 'this too shall pass' the sun will come out, robins will appear at Christmas and there is the possibility of good /better things.
Best wishes

Trannsexual people do not have to " ask the permissions" of women to become as nearly as we can, female.

I’d like to pick up on this because I think there’s an important point and distinction here.

1. Nobody needs anybody’s permission to look, dress and present as they wish. This I think is often used as an argument because it’s seen as a threat to the existence of the self. ‘You’re denying we exist’ etc. So no, you don’t need anyone’s permission to look as much like a women or man as possible (I’m using the generic you here.) you exist. You present how you want. How you live as an individual is none of my business. Until it impacts on the rights of others.

But there’s a leap in the thinking next - that this then means one is entitled to access single sex provisions. And that is the leap from individual freedom to impact on others. But taking steps to make oneself look or present differently do not make one cross over into the opposite sex class. You (and again I’m using the generic you, this isn’t aimed at an individual) are still the sex you always have been, and where sex segregation matters, you are still the original sex. Crossing that boundary is crossing from legitimate self express and fulfilment into impinging on others. That’s where your rights stop

Miranda clearly gets this and is capable of separating the two concepts. I suspect a couple of other regular posters on here are too.

Others are not (again, I’m talking in generic terms and pointing no fingers at any individuals on this thread, but this has happened multiple times on other threads) the two concepts are conflated, either deliberately as a debating tactic/wedge argument or as an argument pushed at transpeople themselves to encourage them to not separate the concepts and thus to see any opposition to them entering single sex provision as a threat to the self

And again. Speaking in [generics]
It is jarring to hear men debate among themselves which of them is allowed into women’s spaces because they are most womanly. It would be absurd if it wasnt such a potential threat.

I see so many deliberate twisting of logic in the tra movement. You could write a treatise on the rhetorical techniques and psychological techniques. And I’m sure someone will one day

( if women are still allowed to read and write.)

Bowl Thank you, it is really very important point and distinction,

As transsexual people we are dismayed by the escalation in harassment, threats and abuse directed at women and women’s groups in the name of “transgender rights activism” (“Trans lobby sent me death threats, claims professor”, Dec 6). In the past few years violent rhetoric on social media has spilt over into real life too often.

See attempted online bullying and intimidation of Martina Navratilova by Dr Rachel McKinnon.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3455445-Martina-Navratilova-states-the-obvious

Times article
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/navratilova-trades-volleys-with-trans-athlete-in-twitter-row-zhc0tq0bl?shareToken=3a2ceaf621ccb02c248a24089687b783

Dr McKinnon has demonstrated male-pattern coercive control behaviours previously.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3411070-Rachael-McKinnon-another-gem-from-the-you-couldnt-make-it-up-guidebook

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3400461-Rachel-McKinnon-story-has-made-the-Daily-Mail

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3454291-Rachel-McKinnon-on-Radio-Five-Live

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3395368-That-a-male-just-won-a-women-s-cycling-World-Championship

article worth reading
'50 Shades Of Gaslighting: Disturbing Signs An Abuser Is Twisting Your Reality'
by Avatar Shahida Arabi
(extracts)

1. Shaming and Emotional Invalidation.

When abusers are unable to convince you that your truth is a false reality, or when they feel they need to add an extra dose of emotional anesthesia to keep you quiet and compliant about their transgressions, they’ll add in subtle shaming or emotional invalidation. This is when, not only are your claims dismissed and denied, the fact that you brought them up in the first place make you somehow defective, abnormal or incompetent.

1. Pathologizing the Victim.

Malignant narcissists take it one step further when it comes to their victims; they engage in concrete actions that pathologize and discredit their partners. They play the smirking “doctors” in their intimate relationships, diagnosing their victims like “unruly patients,” all while downplaying their own pathological behavior. While they can also do this through a smear campaign, the most covert predators tend to use more underhanded methods to come out on top.

Similarly, as victims of psychological violence get closer to the precipice of truth, the man (or woman) behind the curtain creates a great deal of noise to divert their victims from ever seeing what is beneath the surface of their façade and grandiose claims of authenticity. The noise malignant narcissists create instead refocuses on attacking the credibility of the victim rather than addressing their own crimes.

Triangulation (in the context of gaslighting) can be used to confirm the abuser’s version of reality and shame you into believing that you truly are alone in your beliefs and perceptions. It fuels a victim’s sense of alienation when another person (or a group of people – such as the narcissist’s harem) agrees with his or her distortions.

Malignant narcissists are prone to recruiting what the survivor community refers to as “flying monkeys” to agree with their perspective. They may bring these people in physically to confirm their point of view"

thoughtcatalog.com/shahida-arabi/2017/11/50-shades-of-gaslighting-the-disturbing-signs-an-abuser-is-twisting-your-reality/