Shocking bullying of gender critical law professor (Rosa Freedman)

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Absolutely shocked (and wasn’t sure I still could be) by her thread this morning about the abuse she’s endured, including acts of physical intimidation, covert bullying and vandalism. twitter.com/GoonerProf/status/1070158128837246977?s=20 Fuckers.

Glad to see that good strong statement from the Acting VC at Reading.

Next the Vice Chancellors and Universities UK or whoever is their representative body need to get together and issue a JOINT statement to actively protect academic freedom of thought, speech, publication and teaching. And to take all available measures against those who cross the line. And stop pretending that this is an equal set of issues- they should acknowledge that not one single gender critical woman has harassed, attacked, stalked any person who has disagreed with them on these issues.

And they should demand we the appropriate strong condemnation from major representative groups who could set the public tone on this if they wanted to.

I mean, FFS what more do the governing bodies in academia possibly need to see happen before they will act to say enough is enough? It’s absolutely shameful and recklessly negligent.

Yes thank you Alice, just watched the submission. She was fantastic.

I think flowers is a great idea for when she’s back Id chip in for sure.

Rosa and Sue were magnificent in the submission to the Scottish census committee in that link - it's so refreshing to watch adults contributing and learning from each other and getting their collective heads around the major developments and issues, as that clip showed the various committee members doing as they questioned and tabled objections to Rosa & Sue that were all addressed diligently and intelligently.

So much more refreshing than the click bait screams of fragile male egos.

If anyone would like to complain about the Labour Cllr Stephanie Dale whose vile tweet said that Rosa deserved it 'poke a hornets nest long enough and you'll get stung' etc (link below though sorry not clicky) then you can email [email protected] detailing how Stephanie is not fit to serve and has bought the Town Cohncil's reputation into disrepute

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The posted YouTube link of Rosa’s testimony is 2hrs long. Is she giving evidence for the whole thing?

“Poke a hornet’s nest” is an interesting turn of phrase to use about people we are repeatedly being asked to sympathise with.

Boatyard - Rosa is on for 1st half (1hr) with a rep from a Scottish Women's got (does anyone know who?) then there's a break and it's the opposing side - a non binary (woman) and a bloke. It's really interesting - Rosa is inspiring - really calm, clear, authoritative and straightforward.

The other woman makes good points too but is almost visibly squirming at the awkwardness of it all (I'm not meaning to be critical though I realise that is - I would probably do that too - female socialisation and all - I'm drawing attention to it as it's noticeable that Rosa doesn't do it, at all)

The other side is interesting too but the kids were making too much noise and I want to go back and listen carefully as both representativeness were, I feel, being quite disingenuous with some of their answers. The NB clearly believed what she was fighting for a just cause but was being slippery in the bit I heard (was basically agreeing that no one should have to have a career providing intimate care that they weren't comfortable with without stating that they would have the onus on each vulnerable patient to object)

Sorry that was a quite long answer but it is worth a listen!

'Carer' .. not career! 😉

What's Sue's surname and what organisation such she represent?

Humm.. slightly feeling that she might be on here or I may have offended. What I meant is that Sue looked as though she expected to be vilified as a transphobic for her views - whereas Rosa just came out and stated them with no caveats etc

Very - a couple of the panel definitely were (or inscrutable anyway which amounts to the same thing given the context)

a rep from a Scottish Women's got (does anyone know who?)

Susan Smith from ForWomen.Scot

Interesting thread:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1070987804111458304.html

The witnesses are as follows:
'1. Census (Amendment) (Scotland) Bill: The Committee will take evidence on the Bill at Stage 1 from—
Rosa Freedman, Professor of Law Conflict and Global Development, Reading University;
Susan Smith, For Women Scotland;
and then from—
Vic Valentine, Scottish Trans Policy Officer, Scottish Trans Alliance;
Hannah Pearson, Policy Coordinator, Equality Network.'

Thanks Groundcontrol and Arran

There was a substitute in the part I watched. Looks like it might have been Tim Hopkins instead of Hannah Pearson from Equality Network (Tim listed a Director whilst Hannah is a Policy Officer)

It did strike me that it was interesting that what they were essentially arguing about was how much access to woman's spaces/ rights/ services etc should transwomen have (and more existentially, what a transwoman IS) - and yet, no one in the room was a transwoman.

The NB was clearly committed, put their point across well and was sympathetic (though I felt disingenuous) but was (to me) clearly female in appearance (though androgynous in presentation)

It did seem odd for the argument not to presented by the intended beneficiary rather than a proxy ..

(appreciate NB is under the Stonewall trans umbrella but politically they are not really 'disruptive' in the way that people wanting to be accepted as the opposite are as they fit clearly into existing categories)

There was a substitute in the part I watched. Looks like it might have been Tim Hopkins instead of Hannah Pearson

Yes - Tim Hopkins' contributions makes several appearances in the thread that I linked above (mostly to disagree with him).

Ended up sitting up far too late watching this. Great concise comments and a proper exploration of the issues.

ChloeHouston79 thank you so much
And to Rosa. I could weep with gratitude at your courage.

Thanks for the youtube link Alice.
I listened to the full 2 hours.
Well worth worth watching.

Rosa was exceptionally clear on all aspects of the discussion. It was also good to hear Sue support Rosa, adding details where needed.
Tim Hopkins and Vic Valentine stood their ground with flimsy arguments.

Tim said legal sex and biological sex had differerent meanings.
It was the first time I have heard that,
as it is relevant to having a GRC.
It was pointed out by the others that this is where the law could be exploited.

Overall, a very good discussion.

appreciate NB is under the Stonewall trans umbrella but politically they are not really 'disruptive' in the way that people wanting to be accepted as the opposite are as they fit clearly into existing categories)

I disagree. I actually think they're more of a threat to women's spaces and facilities. Not the female NBs. There are plenty of male TRAs who identify as "NB" one being Jess Bradley.

I would so like to have seen a statement from the university that said that no employee should ever feel unsafe at their workplace such that hiding behind a tree/in the bushes could or should have happened and that they would put in place policies that would keep staff and students safe. I would also have welcomed a statement that such despicable things (urinnating on a door and calling a Jewish woman a nazi) would not be allowed to happen again. Ever. And that consequences exist.

Ereshkigal
re: Female born NB's
more of a threat to women's spaces and facilities
Their actions, suggest they hate women even more than we realise.
They have zero empathy for women and girls.

The 2nd hour SNP discussion seem to centre around trans having to disclose their real biological sex on the census.
They fear this will 'out' them and violate their human rights.

I'd say, it is because they are living a lie.