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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lily Madigan and the School Saga

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dillydallyXX · 24/11/2018 09:50

Lily Madigan has been self-praising again, with more details about how they "sued" their school.

They hired a "team of solicitors", to "advice" Lily and the "principle" gave in on all their "demands".

The truth is slightly different.

Lily arrived at school wearing basically a boob tube. They were sent home because it was against uniform policy. Any girl wearing that for school would have been asked to change or go home. It's clear Lily was looking for a reason to kick things off.

Lily was not "made to wear a man's suit". They were asked to adhere to the school uniform - like any pupil. The girls wear a blazer too and can wear a skirt or trousers; many girls choose to wear trousers and the blazer.

Lily organised a petition. It was an ONLINE petition, quite different to a paper one. The support Lily claimed she had is very difficult to prove.

The school's staff tried very hard to placate Lily. They had meetings with their mother, the pastoral care team, etc - and got nowhere. It apparently caused distress to Lily's younger sister who was at school.

Lily contacted a solicitor in London. Because of the Equality Act the school did have to cater to transgender pupils - and when the school was informed of their obligations they changed their policy in accordance to the Act.

There was no suing of the school. There was no legal action, certainly no "legal battle", as Lily repeatedly claims.

There was no victimisation of Lily. Afterwards, the school said they had tried very hard for Lily and their words and actions had been deliberately twisted.

And now Lily still says that "they won", they "got it all", and that they did all this behind their parents' backs, and then "embarked on a media tour".

Lily's parents knew about it all, right from the day Lily was sent home.

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sorenipples · 25/11/2018 00:01

Is this the source of the account that lily was sent home for unprofessional attire www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/schools-apology-to-transgender-pupil-104081/ ?

sashh · 25/11/2018 05:34

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SlightAggrandising · 25/11/2018 05:38

The Twitter feed is the work of a fantasist.

dillydallyXX · 25/11/2018 08:26

That and the Huffington Post article. Also a mother of one of the pupils at the school commented that the "top" Lily was wearing was inappropriate, and any girl wearing it would have been told to change or go home.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 25/11/2018 08:39

So Lily was so unaware that they didn’t realise that they just wanted to be treated like a girl - but NOT like a girl. Like a boy then?

dillydallyXX · 25/11/2018 08:48

Whether a boy or girl, it's irrelevant.

Lily just wanted to be treated differently

Lily craves attention and is the textbook definition of a narcissist.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 25/11/2018 08:57

Eldest child?

NotANotMan · 25/11/2018 08:58

Lily shows behaviour that is very much within the spectrum of emotionally unstable personality disorder.

RepealTheGRA · 25/11/2018 09:00

I think Lily’s the eldest, I’ve only ever heard reference made to younger siblings. Also if I recall Mum is a childminder so will be safeguard trained so should be able to recognise grooming which is ‘lack of support’ in Lily’s narrative.

dillydallyXX · 25/11/2018 09:04

Lily is the eldest. There is a younger brother and sister too.

The sister was at the same school as Lily and was upset by Lily's actions.

The brother has said that Lily has lied and denied the truth about the Jimmy Savile "rape" Twitter account, where Lily is simulating fellatio. Lily's brother said that Lily lies to maintain their "public platform"

Lily is estranged from their parents.

There was a story that they were homeless and penniless - but this is one of those murky stories that Lily runs away from explaining.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 25/11/2018 09:08

Mum and dad always said that you make your mistakes with your first child.

GenderCriticalRedditor · 25/11/2018 10:09

Apparently Lily is the second child and has an elder sister archive.is/KiWqj

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 25/11/2018 10:27

Overlooked middle child? Trying to outshine (possibly favourite child) older sister?

There’s a whole thesis on sibling rivalry there.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/11/2018 10:29

Why did I read that?

Gender why the fuck did you post that?

Now I have to feel sorry for LM... Ah bless and all that achingly saccharine, do goodery type stuff!!!

Or maybe, as a full grown adult whose family has always 'othered' her I just consider the situation to be fairly common, no special snowflake status need be accorded to LM. Certainly not the word 'brave'!!!

dillydallyXX · 25/11/2018 10:31

That link is really interesting and explains a lot. That last paragraph though Shock

"The answer was staring Liam in the face: Become a trans! Act like a girl, dress like a girl, and suddenly you are not an ignored, gawky teenager, but a darling, a star, and a fabulous, brave heroine."

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 25/11/2018 10:34

If I got DS in a dress he’d look like a really ugly girl with the grace of a heffalump, and quite hairy. Not stunning and brave. Why do they always get called gorgeous and stunning? Are women supposed to be stunning and gorgeous? Did I not get that
Email?

GenderCriticalRedditor · 25/11/2018 10:41

Absolutely. I think Lily's history provides some motivation for Lily's behaviour, but certainly not justification. Lots of people have shitty childhoods, and not just the 'woe is me, my siblings are more popular than me and I'm an awkward spotty teenager' type. Most of them don't go on to try to dismantle women's rights, compulsively lie, and hound and bully anyone who disagrees with them.

Binglebong · 25/11/2018 10:50

Interesting that the article, which is at least partially pro Lily, calls them he throughout.

dillydallyXX · 25/11/2018 10:58

But who wrote this article? It is clearly someone who knows the family history and personal details. Perhaps Lily wrote it or someone close to her.

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OlennasWimple · 25/11/2018 11:10

That blog post explains a lot - none of it surprising to me TBH

But another reason why social media is not always a force for good - 20 years ago LM could have played around with gender and ways to be different without one's stupidity being on display for posterity. Frankly, it's a shame that there weren't a couple of emos at school for LM to join with (that's where the outsider, gangly boys found their friends in my old school - well, I'm old, so it was goths, but YKWIM)

Two small asides on academies...

  1. I had a principal at my bog standard comp 30+ years ago - it's not just an academy terminology

  2. the biggest difference I think academy status will have meant to how the school responded was that they wouldn't have access to the county council legal advisors (who one hopes would be more au fait with the Equality Act, things like the School Standards requiring single sex toilets). I don't think that they are part of academy chain, so the diocese was the only other source of legal advice other than engaging lawyers specifically for this issue - which looks like it didn't happen

rightreckoner · 25/11/2018 11:10

I actually think that LM piece is quite insightful. Sad child. Doesn’t fit in. Finds identity and gets promoted way beyond their skill set. Narcissistic outlook.

LM is a disgrace but the real villains are the Labour Party who have basically pimped out a dysfunctional wannabe. And then expected women to smile supportively as that dysfunctional wannabe sets about suing us all one by one as we fail to endorse LMcentricity.

LangCleg · 25/11/2018 11:20

the real villains are the Labour Party

Yes, exactly. The Labour Party has a duty of care towards both Madigan and towards its women members. It has woefully failed to safeguard either. This abrogation of clear duty means I could never vote Labour until it has sorted itself out.

GenderCriticalRedditor · 25/11/2018 11:29

Perhaps Lily wrote it or someone close to her.

I think it shows too much self-awareness to have been written by Lily. If I were to have a guess, I'd say it might have been written by the younger brother. A couple of lines hint at it. Possibly not, but I agree that it's definitely someone close to the family.

rightreckoner · 25/11/2018 11:38

If LM wrote that I would revise my view of them as lacking in insight and intellect. I’d say family member.

dillydallyXX · 25/11/2018 12:18

I think @rightreckoner is right

The piece is really insightful. A father who is very masculine, a sister who is very pretty and gets a lot of attention, and Lily, or Liam as she then was, one of the middle children, who is effeminate and awkward. The marriage breaks up and the father is bringing up the children.

Another woman comes to the family home, along with her daughter, all getting attention. And "L" is affected by this. The younger brother seems to be a mini version of the father, in terms of character, and "L" is lost.

"L" spends a lot of time alone, on the internet. And then the whole trans thing starts. If only "L" was a girl, then the world would open up. There would be attention, the spotlight - "L" would have an identity, no longer isolated and on the sidelines, looking in.

And then it all began. Perhaps in the future Lily will desist and live life as a homosexual man.

Whatever happens, this is a very damaged person who clearly needs a lot of intense therapy.

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