Lily Madigan and the School Saga

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Lily Madigan has been self-praising again, with more details about how they "sued" their school.

They hired a "team of solicitors", to "advice" Lily and the "principle" gave in on all their "demands".

The truth is slightly different.

Lily arrived at school wearing basically a boob tube. They were sent home because it was against uniform policy. Any girl wearing that for school would have been asked to change or go home. It's clear Lily was looking for a reason to kick things off.

Lily was not "made to wear a man's suit". They were asked to adhere to the school uniform - like any pupil. The girls wear a blazer too and can wear a skirt or trousers; many girls choose to wear trousers and the blazer.

Lily organised a petition. It was an ONLINE petition, quite different to a paper one. The support Lily claimed she had is very difficult to prove.

The school's staff tried very hard to placate Lily. They had meetings with their mother, the pastoral care team, etc - and got nowhere. It apparently caused distress to Lily's younger sister who was at school.

Lily contacted a solicitor in London. Because of the Equality Act the school did have to cater to transgender pupils - and when the school was informed of their obligations they changed their policy in accordance to the Act.

There was no suing of the school. There was no legal action, certainly no "legal battle", as Lily repeatedly claims.

There was no victimisation of Lily. Afterwards, the school said they had tried very hard for Lily and their words and actions had been deliberately twisted.

And now Lily still says that "they won", they "got it all", and that they did all this behind their parents' backs, and then "embarked on a media tour".

Lily's parents knew about it all, right from the day Lily was sent home.

do they really? Even 3/5 years back? Why on earth?

My kids aren't at an academy so I had no idea

do they really? Even 3/5 years back? Why on earth?

Gosh, yes - it's been going on ever since academies were launched under Labour. I think it was all about making them sound as new and different to 'ordinary' schools as possible and some of the heads bloody loved being called the 'Principal'.

I've known people with personality disorders make up stories in order to create drama, they can start to believe their stories themselves.

Ha, let’s remember that Professor Sally Hines, on her Leeds bio, spells “principal” as “principle”. So I don’t expect any better from Lily, who has never displayed signs of being the sharpest tool in the box.

This thread made me re- watch Anne's speech. It's brilliant. She comes over as someone that would be a real tower of strength to know.

Invisible1234's post above seems very relevant.

This thread made me re- watch Anne's speech. It's brilliant. She comes over as someone that would be a real tower of strength to know.

Have you heard her speech from the Manchester meeting? Its focussed on the reality for vulnerable female prisoners and gives important insight into the reality of housing males who identify as women in female estate & some of the frustrations that prison officers feel?

Anne Ruzylo speaks at 28:00

It is such a shame Madigan hasn’t been given a good mentor who can steer a person into better behaviours for politics. It’s a bit unkind giving a lot of attention to someone young and by her own accounts, extremely vulnerable.

I don’t think she is obsessed with make up and looks and feminine stereotypes but tries really hard to behave how she thinks young women should behave in society. And perhaps many of the young women she mixes with do behave like that. It is so uncomfortable though, the whole drama lama stuff and the self-centring of every issue.

There is a bit of David Brent going on there - a need to explicitly point out worthy causes in a rather odd way to push her own worthiness. You sense a lack of deeper understanding of issues, a failing to grasp that we don’t ever really know the issues of groups we don’t fully belong within. Exaggeration isn’t a good trait - It is ultimately very damaging to your integrity. To tag on to a campaign which is well underway and supported equally by many others isn’t to have led it - it disrespects those that did lead it. They should be signposted by her rather than using it to signpost herself.

Was the bike ride ever done for womens’ refuges? She set up a sponsorship page. Did she take the period poverty thing any further than twitter?

Also I think there is a strength in some humility and that could have been modelled and taught to her by one of her more experienced supporters as a mentor. She should have congratulated the experienced member of her local Labour Party when she lost to her as woman’s officer. It isn’t helpful to always maintain that you have a right to things and if you aren’t given them, it’s a fault in the system, the other people. Behaviour is important if you want a public life.

Sadly in this day of social media, this stuff does stick and it is that rather than her status as trans which would make me shy from voting for her for anything.

I think the other thing which is a shame is that she isn’t called out by other in her circle more - maybe she is I suppose, but ignores it - the sycophantic attitude of those she hasn’t blocked isn’t useful to her at all. But nor is the worse of the vile abuse which gets fired her way on twitter. I wouldn’t condone that being done to any young person. I think she is a bit lost and out of her depth.

There is no mentor in the world that good. You can’t polish a turd.

I think we can presume the bike ride was never done. Had it been, Lily would have tweeted about it and shown photos and the donations. So, no.

The period poverty was just a felt-tip-pen slogan scribbled on their hand for a photo. And then just a caption on Lily's campaign video for the Women's Officer post in Lewisham. They said they contacted a couple of schools to see if they would accept free sanitary products.

It is such a shame Madigan hasn’t been given a good mentor who can steer a person into better behaviours for politics. It’s a bit unkind giving a lot of attention to someone young and by her own accounts, extremely vulnerable.

Lily Madigan still has quite a bit of perceived political currency.
This was apparent when she featured as part of the 'Kindler Gentler Politics' event. The irony was not lost on Private Eye:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3397350-Private-Eye-takes-on-Madigan-MNHQ-edited-title?pg=2

Rowan I was at the Manchester meeting & met Anne briefly later. It was an absolutely fascinating speech & absolutely reinforces the need for everyone to sign this petition.parliament.uk/petitions/228767

If anyone hasn't watched Anne's speech, I can't emphasise enough how powerful it was.

Absolutely agree Ken

The political currency seems to involve going to Young Labour speaking events around the country telling the story how they "sued" the school. But there are many questions Lily refuses to answer.

The questions Lily won't answer:

What exactly was Lily wearing when she was asked to leave school?

Was what she was wearing against uniform policy for any girl?

Who supported the petition? Lily has said it was a petition about her, but the petition didn't mention her. It was generic and broad, about trans rights.

What actual legal action, if any except for an advisory email, did Leigh Day undertake?

Does Lily have a GRC or not? Lily has said she has one, but also that she doesn't.

This is a really interesting thread , and I am learning a lot.For me, the post by urbanbeetler earlier was outstanding!
K

Sorry if someone has posted this already, but I found it notable that LM has a new twitter handle: @lesbianleftie. (I didn't bold it BTW; the MN software did it automatically.)

I've just found another speech by Anne Ruzylo describing more of what happened within her CLP following actions by LM and others:

May 2018
Transgenderism & Lesbian Erasure

That video is actually quite scary, this "erasure".

Anne talks about how "transwomen" are calling themselves lesbians, and are targeting young girls who are lesbian and trying to convince them that a penis is female. So the penis is being used as a weapon.

And that fits Lily's actions, it seems. Lily says they are a lesbian, and talks about going on dates with lesbians. They even went on a holiday with a lesbian they dated. So are these young girls being pressured and manipulated and being told to believe that a penis is a female member.

That is scary.

I'm just re-reading a thread from May when a group of transsexual women wrote an open letter to the Guardian opposing 'self-id'.
I hadn't been aware of LM's twitter response.

Ekphrasis wrote:
"I'm disrupting the flow of this thread and haven't caught up, and actually hate to refer to LM but I really do not understand how LM can label this letter as "transmisogynistic" and "trash" and is going to "take this further" after Ann Sinnott, Lbr cncllr, shared it.

confused actual face.

What planet are we on???"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3240366-Letter-in-The-Guardian-from-Transexuals-saying-self-ID-not-the-answer?pg=9

it really is quite extraordinary that Madigan seems to go unchallenged by both the transgender community and Labour

Academy you say... Interesting. (gets out the old tick list of spooky coindences.)

All I read with Madigan is someone who was privileged who worked out how to game the system by finding loopholes they could use to their own advantage and then driving through them like a bull in a china shop, threatening legal action (but not actually using legal action).

Trump's entire career is pretty much based on the same tactic.

I'm willing to bet if someone was to compare the two there would be startling parallels. I've never read 'art of the deal', but I do wonder what wisdom it contains.

Also, Trump is exceptionally adverse to legal action being taken against him in contrast. Its one of the few things that has checked his behaviour over the years - long before he ever got to power.

If people are afraid of doing something because they don't want to create a martyr, can I ask what they would do about Trump if they were in the US and had power to do something. Will they admit they would just sit there and wouldn't stand up to Trump? Or does this go out the window, if we say the person who might be martyred is Trump and there a bigger picture and vulnerable people who need to be protected?

The reason I ask, is just to confront and to test the idea that inaction really does come out of this fear, or because personal consideration and ambition are more important? Is it that potential harm of others is just 'collateral damage' for the 'great good' in the long run, and is 'merely unfortunate' rather than an important issue over a lack of accountability throughout local level politicise and beyond into national politics which isn't restricted to the right.

It is easier not to challenge difficult and powerful individuals than it is to deal with them. (Hello Nigel Farage)

This business of being turning someone in a martyr is a convenient excuse at the end of the day. It at best smacks of being the victim of coercion and gun to the head style politics (if you don't go along with what I say, I'll do x harmful action. Got it? OK I'll take the gun from your head if you just repeat TWAW). At worst it smacks of being totally away with the fairies and/or deliberately being in denail about something.

Usually for ones own agenda, purposes or personal gain.

Thank you Kay, sadly I'm invisible!

General WTFuckery aside, the thing that worries me about Lily the most is how very thin they appear in selfies.

I honestly hope someone supportive is keeping an eye on Lily, because they do not look at all well.

Lily is a real life Walter Mitty...