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Lily Madigan and the School Saga

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dillydallyXX · 24/11/2018 09:50

Lily Madigan has been self-praising again, with more details about how they "sued" their school.

They hired a "team of solicitors", to "advice" Lily and the "principle" gave in on all their "demands".

The truth is slightly different.

Lily arrived at school wearing basically a boob tube. They were sent home because it was against uniform policy. Any girl wearing that for school would have been asked to change or go home. It's clear Lily was looking for a reason to kick things off.

Lily was not "made to wear a man's suit". They were asked to adhere to the school uniform - like any pupil. The girls wear a blazer too and can wear a skirt or trousers; many girls choose to wear trousers and the blazer.

Lily organised a petition. It was an ONLINE petition, quite different to a paper one. The support Lily claimed she had is very difficult to prove.

The school's staff tried very hard to placate Lily. They had meetings with their mother, the pastoral care team, etc - and got nowhere. It apparently caused distress to Lily's younger sister who was at school.

Lily contacted a solicitor in London. Because of the Equality Act the school did have to cater to transgender pupils - and when the school was informed of their obligations they changed their policy in accordance to the Act.

There was no suing of the school. There was no legal action, certainly no "legal battle", as Lily repeatedly claims.

There was no victimisation of Lily. Afterwards, the school said they had tried very hard for Lily and their words and actions had been deliberately twisted.

And now Lily still says that "they won", they "got it all", and that they did all this behind their parents' backs, and then "embarked on a media tour".

Lily's parents knew about it all, right from the day Lily was sent home.

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QuietContraryMary · 25/11/2018 13:05

AIR that article was written by someone on here, and it's essentially all speculative/taken from social media etc.

Purpleartichoke · 25/11/2018 13:45

Without even an author credit, I don’t think that article should be given any more credence than any other piece of speculative fiction

OlennasWimple · 25/11/2018 13:46

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dillydallyXX · 25/11/2018 14:11

It may be speculative in some parts, but it would be taken note of.

Lily is pursuing a career in public life, in politics. They are determined to be involved in the Labour party and to be shortlisted for an MP's seat. So it is legitimate to ask questions about this person and their motives and character. And this article has so much detailed family information it cannot be discounted as just gossip.

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hellandhairnets · 25/11/2018 14:24

the real villains are the Labour Party

This is how I feel too.

Regardless of the reasons - and I do think Lily is vulnerable psychologically and needs help - Lily's behaviour isn't acceptable. Lily needs to know this and move on. Lily is emotionally immature and attention-seeking - more like someone in their early teens than a young adult.

The Labour Party are supposed to be adults in the room, but instead Lily's behaviour, particularly that of hounding people out of their roles for spurious reasons, is being enabled and Lily is being encouraged to believe that this behaviour is ok so that the LP can feel "woke" and "down with the youth". It is an extremely bad look for the party as a whole and will cost them dearly.

OlennasWimple · 25/11/2018 15:34

Oh - my first deletion! No message what I did wrong... @MNHQ can you tell what I did wrong please?

If you think I was misgendering, I was specifically talking about "Liam Madigan in a parallel universe" - ie where Lily Madigan didn't exist. I nearly wrote this explanation in my post, but didn't think it was necessary as I thought that the phrase "in a parallel universe" would make it sufficiently clear that I wasn't talking about an actual, RL person

LangCleg · 25/11/2018 15:58

I feel a bit dirty having read that article, TBH.

As we said above, what really matters here is how the Labour Party is behaving in abrogating its duty of care towards Lily and towards the women in its party.

The root causes of Lily's behaviour should really be a matter for Lily and professionals.

R0wantrees · 25/11/2018 16:33

The root causes of Lily's behaviour should really be a matter for Lily and professionals.

This ^^

As with all vulnerable adults and children questioning there gender identity there should be sophisticated and robust psychcosocial support.

tempname111 · 26/11/2018 07:27

And now there's another request to contribute for LM to transition

sorenipples · 26/11/2018 07:54

Lily is asking for donations to her transition fund as she claims it is hard for trans people to obtain meaningful employment unless they look cis. Surely rather than transitioning for this purpose, this is the discrimination she should be campaigning about?

JamieAndTheSugar · 26/11/2018 07:59

A Tory would think of just themselves. I would have thought campaigning to improve the lot for a class of people would be more of a Labour party behaviour.

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dillydallyXX · 26/11/2018 09:30

I'm sorry but what kind of person begs for money the way Lily does?

They have a PayPal begging account - they say the money is for clothes and now it's for hormones. But they have repeatedly said they are not going to take hormones or have a sex change.

This "transition fund" could cover anything: food, clothes, make-up, living expenses. Basically, the cost of living.

They set up a charity bike ride and asked for donations - but the bike ride never happened. Did Lily receive this money?

And this person wants to have a career in politics and represent us.

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NicePieceOfPlaid · 26/11/2018 09:34

The more lies the less credibility. Very little remains. A figure of fun.

KatVonGulag · 26/11/2018 09:59

Sad story really. Makes sense.
Fashion design though Grin

MarysInTheDyson · 26/11/2018 10:08

Saw this in Active and googled who Lily Madigan is. It says they are 20, so why would they be at school?

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dillydallyXX · 26/11/2018 10:12

oh, welcome to the crazy world of Lily Madigan! Nothing is ever as it seems!

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LangCleg · 26/11/2018 10:17

I think "school" in that instance is an Americanism. In the UK, we'd normally say "at uni".

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dillydallyXX · 26/11/2018 10:20

This so-called "transition fund" is managed solely by one Lily Madigan and has a target of £10,000.

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MarysInTheDyson · 26/11/2018 10:21

Thanks. It says in the op about school uniform/blazer though

GiantKitten · 26/11/2018 10:28

The school uniform business was over 2 years ago, Marys

MarysInTheDyson · 26/11/2018 10:32

Thanks

KayM2 · 26/11/2018 11:17

The whole LM thing is just a hopeless mess; trying to get to any facts is like trying to pick up custard with a fork. The Labour Party,. trying to " do the right thing" must be hoping the issues, and LM, goes away. She isn't helping anyone, especially herself.

She does not represent Transsexual** people, ( well, not this one), but neither does she represent trans-activists, not all of whom are screaming mask-wearers.

Experience suggests that many of the young trans-activists in time, will " get their ducks in a row" and find ways to understand themselves. Quite possibly by discovering that they are, in fact, binary in a binary world, and/ or straight-forwardly transsexual, or homosexual, etc etc. Who knows?

Being "trans" is still, even today, a stressful and challenging thing. It drives people crackers, for years, till they sort themselves out one way or another. If they do.

** Yes , the term still has meaning, and is not just used by socially conservative old timers. It still means people are have, or will, take hormones, have surgery, change legal names , etc. "Trans" is just a catch all, and means nothing useful, when we get down to it.

R0wantrees · 26/11/2018 11:27

The whole LM thing is just a hopeless mess; trying to get to any facts is like trying to pick up custard with a fork. The Labour Party,. trying to " do the right thing" must be hoping the issues, and LM, goes away. She isn't helping anyone, especially herself.

She does not represent Transsexual people, ( well, not this one), but neither does she represent trans-activists, not all of whom are screaming mask-wearers.

This is something for the transgender community to sort out.
I hope more will take some responsibility and try to do this.

I am reminded of the principle behind the quote:

John Stuart Mill 1867: “Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.”

LangCleg · 26/11/2018 11:27

I'm not so much bothered about when or if Lily gets Lily's ducks in a row and if it's sooner or later (although I hope it happens at some point). I'm more bothered the the Labour Party provides protection to its women members while we wait for this to happen.

You know, what with being a feminist, posting on a feminist messageboard an' all, I tend to centre women and be most concerned about them being harmed. Nobody's adolescent crisis should be used to harm women. Let's get our priorities straight.

R0wantrees · 26/11/2018 11:29

You know, what with being a feminist, posting on a feminist messageboard an' all, I tend to centre women and be most concerned about them being harmed. Nobody's adolescent crisis should be used to harm women. Let's get our priorities straight.

This ^^