Transman kicked out of gay sauna

[Badstyley]

[ www.gaystarnews.com/article/trans-man-sauna/ ]

Seems a transman was asked to leave a male only sauna because he didn’t have a penis.

The sauna said they would have to approach the council to find out if their license would allow them to admit transmen.

Hope the clicky works. If it doesn’t I’ll post the link below.

do they believe that we all wish we could be like them, or that we're basically a lower kind of lifeform because we rather enjoy being embodied beings?

worth watching:

Highheels - reinforces what I have thought for a long time. Many gay men are not our allies. They are as entitled as straight men and only care about them and their dicks whilst at the same time expecting women to do their dirty work for them.

@AGHHHH

I wasn't talking to you , we frequently quote or bold a post we are continuing to make points about as a conversational method, I was addressing the board in general as is the custom here, and the trans people that are imposing their worldview on others.

Thanks for the hissy fit email. Note to self; avoid any posts from gay men on a feminist chat board in future.

Following questions raised on this thread I ended up more aware than I might have wished of the 'puppy play scene' in the UK.

'Mr Pup 2018' being a transman who may well be amongst those challenging gay men's spaces such as saunas and bath houses.

Some may recall the Channel 4 documentary about this kink scene 'Secret Life of the Human Pups'. I'm not sure if this was part of the same series which also looked at males wearing full latex doll suits.

That video R0wan posted is very reminiscent of a number of religious youth festival ones I've seen. Motivational speaker, lots of scenes of happy colourful people, Genderist religious phrases eg. The chanting etc.

@Electron1 you don't need to avoid posts from gay men. Your note to self should be: make it clear who you're talking to instead of quoting someone and then saying you're not talking to them. It is a natural assumption that you were...

quoting someone and then saying you're not talking to them. It is a natural assumption that you were

AGHHH It is the style of discussion on the site. Perhaps you weren't aware of this?

Um, yeah.

Quoting me and then saying: You know humans have all types of neurodiversity, we deal with it, however forcing us all to act as a placebo in this particular neuro challenge is not on.

Why wouldn't I think that was aimed at me?...

AGHHHH, you've misunderstood a reasonably common posting style on this forum, which has then been explained to you. Continuing to over-react and refusing to accept the explanation is going to waste your time and everyone else's.

We usually add names when we are addressing people directly Arghh and quote without names if we are just responding generally to a particularly point (or agreeing with it).

On this board we tend to bold and not @ people, just because the resulting email notifications can get tedious - if we want to draw a particular person’s attention to a thread they aren’t on, we might @ them (and apologise 😂)

These are all unwritten conventions, so new posters have no real way of knowing until they have kicked around for a while. Please don’t take it personally!

It amuses me greatly that it took MN about 10 years to introduce tagging other posters and MNers immediately decided it was the height of rudeness to actually use it 

Anyway - v interesting thread all

On this board we tend to bold and not @ people, just because the resulting email notifications can get tedious - if we want to draw a particular person’s attention to a thread they aren’t on, we might @ them (and apologise )

Or one could just adjust one's settings to avoid the unwanted notifications. It is extremely high-handed to dictate that a poster making use of a feature provided by the site administration is flouting an unwritten convention.

As for the suggestion that it is only when a poster's name is used that a particular poster is being referred to, I've often made what were intended to be general remarks and been challenged by posters who claim it was all about them.

Orchid, agreed. The quirks of forum specific communication would be worth a study once someone has got done with all the important stuff in their life! :)

You know humans have all types of neurodiversity, we deal with it, however forcing us all to act as a placebo in this particular neuro challenge is not on.

To clarify my statement, I consider the insistence that we act as if males are female and females are male to be a form of placebo treatment. The claim that it makes people feel better even though there is no therapeutic value is a form of coercion and control. I know many transsexuals who do not need this non treatment to be content with their neurodiversity and so discount this theory and justification.

This is not aimed at anyone, it's my view.

I don't think its rude to tag anyone, however I didn't tag anyone.

But you can only turn the @ function off or on though, so you have to choose all (including threads you are already ‘on’) or nothing (the unseen threads that others are alerting you to).

Anyway, bringing this thread back on track, as a straight woman, I am attracted to both male bodies AND a certain amount of ‘performed masculinity’, so the likelihood of finding a trans person of any body type/ gender identity combo is very unlikely.

Also, Vivienne Westwood has featured quite a lot of cock-emblem clothes and accessories including ‘‘flying dicks’ (winged penises) over the years. I like them.

www.viviennewestwood-sale.com/bracelets/146-vivienne-westwood-penis-drop-bracelet-silver.html

The trans pride video...

Naomi Hersi was very sad... but how many black trans lives have been taken via murder this year???

One is obviously too many but is there a high rate of black trans people being murdered? It's a race issue too I guess

There is also the ignored by TRAs fact of a trans man not producing sperm. As a largely heterosexual woman why when I was young would I have chosen a female who wants to look like a bloke but who couldn't father children? It's not as though there is a shortage of men.
Also the psychopathology of trans people which is often exaggerated for sympathy and point scoring is a turn off when choosing a partner. Few people want to live with a drama queen. Sanity, stability and calmness are much more desirable attributes b

I agree with 2rebecca.

There isn’t a shortage of men in this planet - there are over 3.5 billion of them. Why would I want a man without a cock?

I don’t find vulvas a turn on whatsoever, in fact quite the opposite. And when I was dating I was planning on the whole motherhood thing. There’s not really much in the deal for a heterosexual woman to date/shag/fall in love with a trans man.

And likewise if I was into vulvas I'd be dating women.

Yes. If I was into vulvas I’d date women because it sounds a heck of a lot less complicated than dating a transman.

TRAs have had the opposite effect of making us consider them as sexual partners. Ten years ago the only ‘transwoman’ most people had heard of was Hailey on Coronation Street: we weren’t familiar with the Cluster B personality types that dominate the movement today.

Yeps am sur3 wee Owen Jones wouldn’t date a trans man either
Why would he

And I would not date a trans man ever

Genitals matter because we use them to shag with.

Indeed!

Lesbians and gay men have managed to cope with a reduced dating pool since forever. They've not been on any mass conversion campaigns.

Ho hum. That's what you get when you've got the first "social justice" movement dominated largely by middle-aged, middle class, economically successful heterosexual men.

Predictable, much?!

They've not been on any mass conversion campaigns

BIL said he was pleased to hear that ds1 wasnt an evangelical gay, think he was a bit worried about him trotting round converting innocent men

But BIL is a twat to be fair