Transman kicked out of gay sauna

[Badstyley]

[ www.gaystarnews.com/article/trans-man-sauna/ ]

Seems a transman was asked to leave a male only sauna because he didn’t have a penis.

The sauna said they would have to approach the council to find out if their license would allow them to admit transmen.

Hope the clicky works. If it doesn’t I’ll post the link below.

Amongst my friends is a gay male couple - one is late 60s, the other late 60s. They've been together for 30 years now. I give this as context to a conversation my (female) partner and I had with them about sexuality. Partner and I were both with men before we met each other, I will add - so technically bisexual.

Both these men have never, ever had a sexual relationship with a woman and would never, ever consider it. And by woman, they mean a person who is XX - they say they are not remotely attracted to female bodies and no amount of testosterone or facial hair - or even a pump-up fake penis - would change that.

the other late 50s, ffs!

I have quite a few gay men amongst my friends and actually they are all pretty disgusted by women’s bodies. Not in an unkind way (although I can see that it could be considered that way!). They would run a mile from a female body and certainly wouldn’t be wanting to have sex with that person.

They absolutely can’t bear any talk about birth or vaginas or periods or breastfeeding. They would rather politely excuse themselves and leave because it makes them go a bit queasy. Fair enough, not their cup of tea - I am equally not very interested in hearing about visits to notorious public toilets and a certain type of party. It doesn’t stop us being friends, and it doesn’t stop a very dear friend from being a wonderful godfather.

Why shouldn’t gay men have their own spaces? This relentless pushing at boundaries and the complete inability to live and let live astonishes me constantly. It’s all Very Special Snowflakes who can’t stand the word no. I can only boggle at the levels of narcissism which seem to make these folk feel they have the divine right to do whatever they want, and fuck everyone else’s wants and needs.

Badgerthebodger

Yep.

When gay men express disgust re. women’s bodies and women’s bodily functions it is completely misogynistic. Let’s not pretend it’s good natured or something they just can’t help.

When gay men express disgust re. women’s bodies and women’s bodily functions it is completely misogynistic

Precisely. I don't care if they are not sexually attracted to women any more than I can that lesbians are not sexually attracted to men but to describe women and their bodies in disparaging terms is misogynistic. People like you, Harrop, you dickhead.

Fair enough. I don’t think my friends are misogynistic, they certainly wouldn’t just go round to anyone and start on about how gross women’s bodies are. We’ve all known each other a long time and I wouldn’t be friends with them if there was any nasty intent towards me. It’s a common joke between us all. They brought lovely flowers and gifts after I’d given birth and then my v close mate (A) asked how the labour and delivery had gone so I gave edited highlights while they all pretended to faint. It can be good humoured.

Anyway. I digress.

As a gay male, this makes me so uncomfortable and I am vehemently against transmen being allowed in a gay male sauna.

I'd be going there for cock, personally.

When gay men express disgust re. women’s bodies and women’s bodily functions it is completely misogynistic

I agree with this! Just because I'm gay doesn't mean I have to act disgusted and have to leave the room if someone talks about women's bodies. I just don't want to have sex with a vagina!

Homosexual, the clue is in the word itself.

Sorry, it isn't!

The word homosexual is a Greek and Latin hybrid, with the first element derived from Greek ὁμός homos, "same" (not related to the Latin homo, "man", as in Homo sapiens), thus connoting sexual acts and affections between members of the same sex, including lesbianism.

getthelout.wordpress.com/blog/

Why “Get The L Out” ?
July 5, 2018
Angela C. Wild
"Who We Are

Get the L Out is a group of lesbian and feminist individuals and organisations, opposing the increasingly anti-lesbian and misogynistic LGBT movement and the erasure of lesbians

Why We Protest

We believe that lesbian rights are under attack by the trans movement and we encourage lesbians everywhere to leave the LGBT and form their own independent movement, as well as to be vocal and take action against the proposed changes to the GRA.

Get the L Out believes trans politics (with uncritical support from the LGBT movement) does the following:

Promotes the social transition of lesbians, encouraging them to present as straight men thus favouring the pretence of heterosexuality over lesbianism – this is nothing more than a form of conversion therapy.
Promotes the medical transition of lesbians and pushes harmful drugs (untested hormone blockers, Lupron etc.) as well as unnecessary medical practices on perfectly healthy bodies – these are a form of misogynist medical abuse against lesbians.
Promotes the rights of heterosexual males who “identify” as women and lesbians (despite most of them still retaining their male genitals) over the rights of lesbians to choose their sexual partners. This new ‘queer’ LGBT politics thus coerces lesbians to accept the penis as a female organ and promotes heterosexual intercourse between male and female as a form of lesbian sex. This is simply a new facet to rape culture and compulsory heterosexuality." (continues)

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301033-Get-the-L-Out-Statement-by-the-lesbian-protesters-at-Pride-London

Noticeably Harrop completely sidesteps any mention of trans in that tweet whilst still managing to beg for woke transcookies.

Almost as if he doesn’t really believe trans men are men or something.

From that twitter thread:

I'm a guy who is attracted to people with the same type of genitals as me, rather than people with vaginas. I wonder if there's a term for people like us in these enlightened times?

Yeah it's called being a transphobe now move on.

These people don't care whether you are female or male tbh, they just want to trample on everyone's boundaries and get their own way.

Quinionsrainbow

Yeah, I know, as opposed to heterosexual. I am a homosexual.

I think what makes me doubly uncomfortable about this whole thing is a female mimicking male misogynistic behaviour. It all seems so pathetic. Not only the malicious, boundary trashing intent, but the knowledge that in comparison to the affect it has when men do it to women, most men will probably just be able to ignore and exclude them till they get the message. Men can do that, because as pp have said, women don’t pose a physical threat. The whole stunt feels like a double kick in the teeth for women, and lesbians especially, because as pp have also said, Harrop and lil Owen can just brush it off as no big deal, as further proof that men barging their way into our spaces is no big deal. It’s selfish, but also malicious imo.

I’d say Jason is in for a shock if they continue to use the sauna. Gay men can be incredibly bitchy. Now they’ve had their little moment in the spotlight and their little victory, I suspect that’ll be where the fun ends. There’s no way on earth a bunch of gay men out for a shag are going to accept them and their man fanny, and they might be a tad bit pissed off at having their space invaded.

This is why the whole thing is bollocks (literally) - people know what a man is and what a woman is and it really doesn't matter what is written on official bits of paper or if disagreeing is labelled "transphobic". At the end of the day we are mammals, have sex organs and have sexual attractions (whether to the same sex, opposite or both). "Feeling" or wanting to be the other sex does not make anyone the opposite sex however much anyone shouts about it and cannot make others change their innate sense of sexual attraction (or not).

I say let the trans man in. Why not, they’ll soon feel uncomfortable when they are hanging around waiting to be fucked and no one wants to touch them. You may demand and scream to be accepted etc but you cannot force someone to have sex with you, and it’s pretty obvious the reasons no one will have sex with them. So yeah, let them in and just shun them. It’s what I would do. Tantrumming your way into someone else’s space will not see you welcomed with open arms. More likely whispering behind your back. Why would anyone put themselves in such a position? Ahh yes, attention seeking.

If you turn up at a golf club without any clubs there’s a chance - just a chance - somebody might lend you a set.

If you turn up at a gay sauna without a penis nobody is going to lend you their’s.

If they had a spare one they’d be the centre of attention and they wouldn’t give that up for a anyone, let alone a stranger.

Can't stop laughing at your post Aspie. Thank you for lightening the mood considerably.

The gay men I encounter frequently speak in very misogynistic terms about female bodies. I'm experiencing difficulty at work with one at the moment as it's overstepping the mark in terms of professional boundaries

I can't see gay men being made to tolerate a vagina owner in their spaces.

The conversation going on under that piece is very interesting.

It shouldn't have even been considered. It's ridiculous. There has to be a limit on this bollocks, pun unintended. And that includes biological females being in biological male spaces. No amount of facial hair will change the fact that you have female chromosomes. Even post surgery you will still have female chromosomes. An artificial penis isn't a male penis. And surgically removing breasts doesn't mean you have a male body either. Especially not when you're talking about a group of gay guys getting it on in a sauna!

AGHHHH

We get it.

thanks for confirming.

I just think there is something really sad about girls going through such mutilating surgery and it never being enough to get them accepted as men. They are being stitched up big time.

Normal service has been resumed?