Transman kicked out of gay sauna

[Badstyley]

[ www.gaystarnews.com/article/trans-man-sauna/ ]

Seems a transman was asked to leave a male only sauna because he didn’t have a penis.

The sauna said they would have to approach the council to find out if their license would allow them to admit transmen.

Hope the clicky works. If it doesn’t I’ll post the link below.

I really wish I'd looked at that on private browser. Nothing bad, just can picture the pop ups* now.

• bad pun intended

Just looked at the site. I feel quite naive.
Apparently there is a 'big difference' between 'gay guys' and 'guys who are into guys'.

I think they want married men (etc.) to 'give it a go'. Bicurious or whatever it's called.

That Mic article is priceless: He went home with someone once and though he had begun to have penetrative sex in his front hole, he had reserved that for his main partner, a cisgender boyfriend of four and a half years.

"I told him, "I have two holes, you can only use one of them. That's my back one,'

So men today are expected to use an app that broadcasts to everyone for miles around that they're available, but on meet-up they need to remember pronouns for each person, remember their specific non-triggering names for their genitals, and remember that some body areas may have a virtual "reserved" notice on them?

Hmmm. I think I'll stick to a cup-a-soup, book, and a squishy cat for my evenings entertainment thanks. It's a lot less work.

Holes? WTF.

remember that some body areas may have a virtual "reserved" notice on them?

Your point about the rest is valid, this is not. Everyone has the right to their own sexual boundaries. If a new partner stuck their cock in your arse when you'd told them not to, you'd feel pretty violated too.

Wow, that mic article. The narcissism is mind blowing.

Of course people have boundaries - but saying - during sex - that parts of their body are reserved for other people is off-putting.

I disagree, people are well within their rights to only have the sort of sex they want. If they don’t want vaginal sex (I refuse to call it a hole, it’s inaccurate and dehumanizing) that’s entirely their choice. Calling it off putting is entirely unfair.

I think it's bang out of line to suggest I was saying otherwise.

I'm equally allowed to be put-off by anything I consider a turn-off.

It's interesting though isn't it. The 'transman' subconsciously knows that only penetrating the vagina with a penis can lead to impregnation, so doesn't want some randomer getting her him pregnant, therefore the vagina is for the long term partner.

True - and I think it allows him/her to think of the other as "real" gay sex.

Having had a few drunken conversations with bears (big fat hairy gay males) about the kind of sexual activities they get up to, any transman with their female build/biology, is actually quite at risk of serious damage engaging in sexual activities with them. I know such damage has happened to twinks who are bottoms who have ventured into this territory.

Dr Adrian Harrop speaks for gay men (adult human males)

Like I said upthread, [Harrop etc will] be relaxed in saying "that was bad behaviour by Sailors Sauna, it's good they've seen the light, the sky didn't fall in" and will then use this to say that transwomen having access to all women's single sex spaces directly corresponds and is equally no problem at all.

Sailors Sauna provides the example that no matter what the intimacy level of a space might be, trans people fit in just fine.

Well, now that The Harrop has spoken order has been returned to the world.

The Twitter arguments make my head spin. If there are no differences in the sexes, surely spaces should just be open to all?

Why make any distinctions?

Has Harrop or one of his mates not even bothered to find out where sauna owners & customers kids go to school yet? Have they not demanded sailors delete their account with a £100000000 donation to mermaids?

This simply isn't good enough.

Really interesting to compare the language that Harrop uses when referring to men or women.

Very careful neutral language (diffident even) when referring to men, like in the screenshot above. Notice that he doesn't "call out" those men who objected to the female person in the male sauna, he doesn't even refer to them at all.

Heightened emotional language when referring to women. Lots of calling out of women directly, repeatedly referring to them by their names. Lots of loaded language (vile, bigot, etc.).

Harrop can no doubt also say he would 'consider' a transman as a sexual partner, knowing full well that he wouldn't, and it will cost him nothing to say so, but will actually give him more cookies.

and it will cost him nothing

This is at the root of the whole SJW sidestep of the problem, that is the conflict of rights in the trans issue.

So how is anybody defining "gay" these days?

If it now includes people who are exclusively attracted to someone of the opposite sex to them.

In what way are they gay exactly?

Excuse my naivety but isn’t this transman actually a heterosexual woman, if they’re sexually attracted to men..?

Cis gay male culture is so phallocentric

How utterly shocking and disgusting

Cis gay male culture is so phallocentric

How utterly shocking and disgusting

Terribly surprising, too, to anyone who has spent their entire life thinking gay men are just the boys you can bitch with at school and Graham Norton.