TG day of remembrance

[WomanAndProud]

When did 20 November become the transgender Day Of Remembrance?

Is there an International Women's Day of Remembrance? We bloody well need to get onto it given the numbers of us who are actually killed every single day. And given that the majority of women who are murdered are killed by men, that's anti-women (adult human female, to be clear - and that's not exclusionary, trans women don't want to be included anyway, they've made their own day they can't now complain about not being in ours).

And I do hope that they'll be remembering the trans people killed by other trans people. Because there are a fair few of them too.

Nobody has a problem with it! I think it's entirely appropriate for trans people, their friends, families, LGBT groups, etc to commemorate it. The issue, again, is with the TDoR being used as a bludgeon against people who don't agree with every item on the TRA wishlist

Changing the goal posts now I’m not a lone voice I see.

JillyArmeen

To be completely honest I don’t have a clue what you’re talking about or what event you attended.. I don’t agree with the idea behind this thread, I’m in no means a TRA or expert on trans rights. Perhaps you should post your question in one of their forums?

verbeena, bespin, Jezebelz, snork, aridene

I have known 3 people who have ended there own life though and a few others were we have helped to prevent it, some of them young people. the numbers are never importent as one is too msny I am also one of the 3/4 who have been assaulted for being trans

Bespin, thank you for taking the time to reply, genuinely.
When you say people have suffered, what does that mean? Did they die?
Sorry that sounds really insensitive, I just want to know what the outcome was, not too much detail.

Still no real comments on the appropriation by TRAs of the murders of trans sex workers in South America as a reason why they should be allowed in female spaces?

Changing the goal posts now I’m not a lone voice I see.

Nope, that's what loads of people on this thread have said?

Changing the goal posts now I’m not a lone voice I see

Yep, was just thinking the same, that's not what the tone was at the beginning of the thread, it was more completely against there being one in the first place.
Until people came on and said hang on a minute and added dissenting voices.

JillyArmeeen

a badly done private operation that was close to killing the person and required major work to there bowel leaving them petmitly with issues for life as I said this is no easy solution to anything and no one advises anyone to just do it.

Thank you to. all the people that have called this out as it does not even serve the your goals it just shows how little disregard some people have for the rights of others to remember the people they have lost

I do think that there is an issue with sex work and the higher risks to those who are transgender (in Brazil at least) and I do think that is an issue that needs tackling.

Sadly the most successful model is not favourable with many TRA's or indeed Amnesty International.

Avegemitesandwich

the reason their is no answer to your question is there is no link at all we are simply remembering them and the lives they have lead. I can not even imagine what they must have gone through to get to that point. but I support them and champion there voices

the reason their is no answer to your question is there is no link at all we are simply remembering them and the lives they have lead.

Yes there is a link. Many TRAs take the stats for murdered trans sex workers in other countries and use these stats as a general narrative for how much danger transgender people are in, even in countries such as the UK. They then use this as a reason why transwomen should have access to women's spaces. It's dishonest.

Remembering trans people who have died. Fine.

BrickByBrick

yes the risks are high as they often have to not disclose there trans status to get work and that can be a dangerous thing. the way for all this type of sex work is to improve socioeconomic opertunitues and health care disenfranchised groups often have to turn to these means simply to access the services others take for granted

there are many country's around the world that people face danger in for being lgbt and country's that I'm not even allowed to enter due to the laws thst they have. any community is stronger together and I support all trans people in there fights for equality as they do with ours. I suppose the 3/4 assult stat is false too

there are many country's around the world that people face danger in for being lgbt and country's that I'm not even allowed to enter due to the laws thst they have. any community is stronger together and I support all trans people in there fights for equality as they do with ours.

Yes but that's not what TRAs are doing. Munroe Bergdorf for example doesn't appear to actually be doing anything to help trans sex workers in Brazil. But will use their murders to tell people that as a trans woman of colour, statistically Munroe only has 4 years left to live. That is a tactic designed to shock and persuade people into allowing transwomen into female spaces. It's a lie.

I don't know if the 3 out of 4 stat is true or false, but any abuse at anyone is one person too many.

I have an American on my FB who is very supportive of trans rights, the US is particularly dreadful in some states, I think though that if many were more open about the day then they would get much more support.

And Munroe isn't the only one using that tactic, although Munroe is one of the worst for it.

Munroe and others like her are just the media exceptable face of trans none of us voted to put them there we don't get to choose who represents us that why we end up. with India the media will only go with the people that give them there narrative or that can be trusted. famous trans people are no diffent to the rest of us there just famous people how many famous people in general represent your views

Let that penetrate.

this year why don't you come to a remembrance event and actually see what it is about instead of just telling us what we are remembering there are ones all over the country most of them just small gatherings the larger cities have events around them but mostly it just a small group of people gathered in the cold reading names and lighting candels

Munroe and others like her are just the media exceptable face of trans none of us voted to put them there we don't get to choose who represents us that why we end up. with India the media will only go with the people that give them there narrative or that can be trusted. famous trans people are no diffent to the rest of us there just famous people how many famous people in general represent your views

They are the ones changing policy. They are the ones who are pushing for women's spaces to be erased and, up until very recently when a whole load of women (myself included) actually woke up and realised what was happening, it was working at an incredible rate.

They are the ones changing policy. They are the ones who are pushing for women's spaces to be erased

Transwomen have been in the toilets/changing rooms alongside us for years.

Anyway, that's a separate issue, as this is a thread that is about allowing transpeople to have a day of remembrance. Which has apparently been a day for years too.
They should be allowed to remember fellow trans.

as you appear to have totally disregarded anything I have put on this thread that we are remembering all dead not all are sex workers and many are not even on this list. I support sex workers to allow them to find a credible socio economic alternative and access to appropriate services in relation to trans thst would be in realiton. to. disgeiminsrion in employment and health care

Transwomen have been in the toilets/changing rooms alongside us for years.

Ah yes the old 'duh, transwomen have been using your loos for years ya divvies, so let's let any male self id as a woman and have access to female prisons, refuges, sports, Girl Guides, all women shortlists, everything, what's the prob?'

Great argument.

Yes we were quietly doing this for years and famous trans people are not the ones campaigning for rights day in. day out they are just the ones on the TV. normal trans people are the ones sat in the meetings explaining and evandencing our need for services