David Davies MP speaks out about harrassment, calls for stop to GRA reform & urgent review involving women's groups.

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Something is going on here, i can't work out what, but it's much bigger than stonewall.

current thread following today's announcement by standards committee:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3396169-John-Bercow-sex-pest-ridicules-GC-Women-friend-of-Pink-News-Edward-Lord-who-refused-UQ-about-prison-policy-following-Karen-White-Case-Unconnected

Bercow?

Sorry the Bercow thing is about bullying. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45880134

I remember a few weeks ago, James Kirkup (I think) saying there was someone in the cabinet who is absolutely determined to get self-ID through. And that it was someone you really, really wouldn’t expect to take the woke position.

The thing is it's clearly not about transsexual rights, that's as plain as day.
Why would they be pushing this?

Sorry the Bercow thing is about bullying. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45880134

If the BBC are describing it that way its interesting.

Times: 'John Bercow urged to quit over report into sex pest MPs
Speaker of the Commons is not up to the job, says standards chief'

(extract)
"Maria Miller, the Conservative chairwoman of the women and equalities committee, also called on Mr Bercow to resign and will challenge him to grant an urgent question on the report in the Commons today. “Bullying and harassment is coming right from the top. We have outstanding allegations directly against the Speaker, who is going to be one of the people considering the report,” she told the BBC.

The report details alleged sexual harassment by MPs, saying that women reported being abused in “vulgar, gender-related terms”. There were reports of “inappropriate touching”, including men “trying to kiss them, grabbing their arms or bottoms or stroking their breasts or bottoms”. Staff reported men putting their arms around women’s shoulders or waists or “pulling them into corners for close personal contact”. (cont)

The thing is it's clearly not about transsexual rights, that's as plain as day. Why would they be pushing this?

Why indeed?

I saw the first one a few hours ago and was going to post it on the old thread about John bercrow, but now the second link is all over the media.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45874284

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45880134

I wondered if the first link is relevant to this thread?

John Bercow 'to quit as Speaker next summer'

That was always going to be the case.
What is interesting now is to see who is supporting him staying.
It speaks volumes.

Can anyone think of a single occasion an MP has been threatened with police action by another MP in his own party?

This is utter madness.

CaptainKirks - I feel like I'm going in for conspiracy theories here - but yes, something big is going on. A couple of reports/polls have just shown that the majority of the Conservative party and MPs are against this change. Why is this being pursued so aggressively when it's against all party and public opinion?

Why would they be pushing this

There is an argument that if children are able to make huge life decisions like changing sex, they are also able to consent to sex.

There is another argument that suggests that adult AGPs need the children to legitimise their fetish (ie trans children prove the innate from childhood thing)

There is another argument that it's the Russians destabilising Western society.

It's certainly not just Stonewall.

Why is this being pursued so aggressively when it's against all party and public opinion?

It really is madness, I can only worry that the GRA reforms are going to either pave the way for, or create a loophole for something.

Why is this being pursued so aggressively when it's against all party and public opinion?

Almost makes one wonder if there are MPs who have a vested influence or perhaps there is some leverage somewhere?

We need to know as this consultation isn't going to be the end. If it is being pushed by someone in the cabinet then if they don't get what they want now they'll try by another means until they do.

Almost makes one wonder if there are MPs who have a vested influence or perhaps there is some leverage somewhere?

Every time I ask this question, the DH directs to Prime Suspect season 3.

Every time I ask this question, the DH directs to Prime Suspect season 3.

I watched this early spring courtesy of Netflix algorithm.
It's worth watching.

What happened in prime suspect?

The Tories took a risk doing this now with Brexit hanging in the balance. Suggests it's pushed by
someone with signif amount of power or, that the
they were confident that of getting it through without anyone noticing. Odd though it doesn't fit well with May's desire to promote women (which seems genuine) though I'm sure they were looking forward to getting the 'woke' points

I'm thinking:

thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

Big pharma. Men's rights. Reduce women's rights. Abolition of age of consent. Masons.

I'm also thinking Red Riding.

An MP who threatens to report another to the police for holding a meeting addressing the legitimate concerns of the British Public? There's a word for that: fascism.

This is explosive stuff and scandalous

Suggests it's pushed by someone with significant amount of power or, that the they were confident that of getting it through without anyone noticing.

All the "advised" silence from companies and charities would suggest someone very powerful pulling the strings.

The Tories took a risk doing this now with Brexit hanging in the balance. Suggests it's pushed by someone with signif amount of power or, that the they were confident that of getting it through without anyone noticing

I don't think its a coincidence it was tried to be pushed though last Autumn.

There's a whole host of things going through which affect safeguarding & child protection frameworks at the moment and very little scrutiny:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville-metoo

I think some Tory MPs are very focused on Brexit and don't know much about self-ID so far. And it is being sold as a small admin thing that only affects a few people who let's face it, are unlikely to be core Tory voters. So a lot of MPs think that it is safe to ignore.

That's why the other MPs and lobbyists are pushing so vigorously to get self-ID passed. Precisely because the other MPs are distracted and have their eye off the ball at the moment.

They know that as soon as MPs can look at the issue properly, like a lot of ordinary people are now beginning to do, then the whole thing falls like a house of cards.

By this time next year there will be plenty more tales of male sex offenders identifying as transgender. And trying to get self-ID in under the radar will get more and more difficult with every week that passes.

Rushing it through by telling lies and silencing debate is their only hope.

As has been said before-this is grooming on a huge scale-breaking down safeguarding for children. Yes there is an argument that if they can chose their sex at a young age then they can also consent to sex.....this is why we are fighting to keep existing safeguards in place.