David Davies MP speaks out about harrassment, calls for stop to GRA reform & urgent review involving women's groups.

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I also suspect that for many trans people in places like Canada and Ireland nothing much has changed. They still face prejudice because they don’t conform, and they are still trying to stay under the radar and avoid confrontation. ‘Self id’ isn’t a magic wand.

It was the reporting of the Jeska case that peaked me too. The reports in the Guardian. Their fawning over a white man who attempted to murder a black man who was merely doing his job was so jarring and weird - at first I couldnt understand why they were being so sympathetic and then I started reading around the topic and the scales fell from my eyes.

It gives me some hope actually. I was naive and a loyal Guardian reader. And yet their propagandising was what alerted me to this whole thing. It was so outrageous my critical faculties spotted something I hadn’t seen before. Own goal. Guardian. And if it happened to me it will be happening to others.

Indeed, it's not a coincidence that those who either have personal experience of living in totalitarian states or have done a lot of reading about them are among the most alarmed by what we're seeing. This is how it starts. What are we sleepwalking into this time?

If there is a Tory member of the cabinet who is absolutely determined to get self id through my immediate thoughts would be that reason was they were being blackmailed.

it's insane-we know a man can't become a woman, just like a boy can't become girl, yet even discussing this is deemed hate speech. I guess I'm just surprised how feminists in this country can see what is happening, whereas women in other countries with self id don't really seem to be fighting against it. I could be wrong-maybe they're not being heard.

Angry its the chipping away at our rights and freedom of thought and speech that are really disturbing.

Maybe silencing is easier in other countries.

Could the MP who threatened him be Mike Freer?

Thank you, David Davies. I hope your courage is an inspiration to others.

I remember a few weeks ago, James Kirkup (I think) saying there was someone in the cabinet who is absolutely determined to get self-ID through. And that it was someone you really, really wouldn’t expect to take the woke position

Jeremy Hunt’s entire ministry is corrupt. 70 MP’s have received “donations” or patronage from big pharma, including Philip Hammond the new Chancellor, David Davis, Michael Fallon Liam Fox and David Cameron. Jeremy Hunt himself received £32,920 from a hedge fund that invests in healthcare firms.

So this is the current cabinet:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42615109

There seem to be hints in that stuff coming out of Talk radio's coverage that (a) this is someone utterly unexpected and (b) they're a really "big beast" in Tory terms. I really want to know who.

It is bizarre that it's happened to such an extent in America Materialist. You have constitutional protection for freedom of speech and expression, freedom to practice religion and follow whatever belief set you want. Whatever problems there are in American politics (and to an outsider, there are many), this always seemed like the one area you'd got absolutely right.

Fucking hell, pulltheotherone - "Follow the money" is always so fucking true. The pharmaceutical companies are hugely behind this. Why wouldn't they be? They're getting a massive drip feed of life long customers. Jeez, I really do think I'm entering conspiracy-theory territory here - but it's so obviously the money behind this.

My actual MP is on that list.

Out of that list then:
Michael Gove - hopefully listens to wife Sarah Vine, who is GC
Chris Grayling - proved to be inept several times, could be latest thing to push this through regardless?
Philip Hammond - look woke in a leadership bid?
Jeremy Hunt - as above + been lobbied by big pharma as HS?
Liam Fox - lobbied?
Sajid Javid - not sure if he his "big beast" yet, maybe up and coming

ToeToToe ...but it's so obviously the money behind this.

Follow the money is always a good strategy-especially with entitled men .

Pulltheotherone, that 'Jeremy Hunt' link is terrifyingly batshit - it's pushing laetrile as a cure for cancer, which was always a minority interest but which was comprehensively disproved by 1982.

I think it does the GC view no favours to think of it as purely a 'follow the money' situation. Labelling those who think differently as only corrupt is not a good argument and leads down a rabbit hole of tin foil hat accusations. It's important to remember that lots of people genuinely believe transwomen are women, transmen are men. I don't know how they do this, but they do. Is it Penny Mordaunt whose brother is gay? She may passionately believe in the T with the LGB. I don't get how. But she may do.

Don’t know if this is relevant or if it’s already been posted:
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/02/20/jeremy-hunt-responds-to-anti-lgbt-group-that-wants-to-ban-transgender-teen-treatments/

Mind you, Voice for Justice don’t seem very nice either.

In 2016 Liam Fox had dealings with former US Secretary of Commerce Penny Pritzker who is cousin to the earlier mentioned Jennifer Pritzker.

www.commerce.gov/news/press-releases/2016/07/us-secretary-commerce-penny-pritzker-meets-uk-secretary-state

It's a tenuous connection and obviously the Dems are no longer in power but it's a connection nonetheless.

Re the "no problems in other countries", I think the reason we're not hearing more (though I have heard quite a few stories from the US and Canada) is due to a combination of:

• Some countries which are claimed to "have self ID" actually NOT having full self ID, due to lots of exceptions etc - Ireland for example still segregates prisons entirely by sex apparently, among other things. (WPUK have done a good review of the Irish situation, though I've not got the link handy).

• Women may not feel able to report issues due to the risk of being accused of bigotry or even hate crime. For example a woman who raised a complaint about being expected to share a room with a transwoman in (I think) Canada was told that she would not be helped because she inadvertently referred to the person as "he", and was told she might therefore be liable to misgendering charges from the transwoman!

• Reporting of issues may be confused due to reporting guidelines or legal requirements to refer to transwomen as women (so the article would just read e.g. "woman accused of assault in gym changing room" for example, but would likely not be able to mention that it was a trans person).

• And of course, our old friend, fear... (both on the part of victims and media, if they feel they would be at risk for speaking out).

It's not a tenuous connection, if you read what Materialist posted upthread.

I'm a little conscious of the tin foil hat stuff - but god, all this influence is coming from somewhere. This is the Tory govt ffs.

Penny M has reportedly stated strongly to Ministers that Self ID must pass because it is the same as the gay debate in the 80s (it's not) and they can't be on the 'wrong side of history' again. She and many others have got this so wrong - the right side of history is never one which involves medicalising kids, and breaking down safeguarding measures.

I was musing over Liam Fox too. He opposed same sex marriage I believe. And Wikipedia suggests that he wasn't particularly supportive a gay rights when he was a student. And it has been noted that the T ideology being pushed is homophobic.

Role of Andrew Landsley in a very important article about the NHS by Anne Harper-Wright “Single-Sex Hospital Wards” that have always been a lie'

medium.com/@anneharperwright/sex-gender-the-nhs-1e8f4e6363a6

and a question surely why Jeremy Hunt maintained this?

Here's another detailed link about links with big pharm - from DefendourNHSYork 2017

Jacob Rees- Mogg looks like a good bet.

Also interesting snippet that Penny Mordaunt worked for lobbying firm Hanover, where she had a range of healthcare clients.

The money link is usually significant ime

70 MP’s have received “donations” or patronage from big pharma

Wouldn't they have to declare that as an interest?

I checked Jeremy Hunt & Liam Fox - and there's nothing. Although Liam Fox seemed to get a £233 from the BBC for QT. And Jeremy & wife have a holiday home in Italy (nice!).