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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

David Davies MP speaks out about harrassment, calls for stop to GRA reform & urgent review involving women's groups.

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R0wantrees · 16/10/2018 16:26

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David Davies MP speaks out about harrassment, calls for stop to GRA reform & urgent review involving women's groups.
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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 16/10/2018 17:26

are we allowed to say that we suspect a big paedophile ring?

Or is that slander or whatever?

Datun · 16/10/2018 17:27

An MP is threatened with police by another MP for holding a perfectly legitimate meeting in the House of Commons about an issue over which the general public is currently being consulted.

Someone's cupboard sounds like it's absolutely stuffed to the brim with skeletons

R0wantrees · 16/10/2018 17:27

By this time next year there will be plenty more tales of male sex offenders identifying as transgender. And trying to get self-ID in under the radar will get more and more difficult with every week that passes.

Rushing it through by telling lies and silencing debate is their only hope.

Indeed.

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happydappy2 · 16/10/2018 17:28

paedophiles would love for their justification to be its just the way they were born.....its not a choice

happydappy2 · 16/10/2018 17:31

SOGI
sexual orientation & gender identity. mens rights. remove protection for children & women.
sound familiar?

LemonJello · 16/10/2018 17:38

I’d love someone to do an infographoc timeline of this issue.

New stones are being turned over every day and what is underneath seems to get more and more depraved and outrageous.

It’s facinating that the more sunlight is cast on it, the stronger the case against self id grows.

Spinning it out for as long as possible seems to be as useful a tactic against self id as directly fighting it.

silentcrow · 16/10/2018 17:42

An MP is threatened with police by another MP for holding a perfectly legitimate meeting in the House of Commons about an issue over which the general public is currently being consulted.

Would it be possible to make a FOI enquiry over this? Because it's sure as hell wasting police time if nothing else.

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 16/10/2018 17:44

All that makes sense - Brexit as a distraction and before more 'Karen White's surface.

God, I really feel quite depressed all of a sudden today.

I do feel like the tide is turning but, the sheer Orwellian nonsense of 'rachel' mckinnon's 'win' then the half baked attempt to cover but not cover it on Women's Hour this morning & the David David's interview this afto makes it seem like there are tentacles everywhere trying to get this through in a really quite scary way.

R0wantrees · 16/10/2018 17:46

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David Davies MP speaks out about harrassment, calls for stop to GRA reform & urgent review involving women's groups.
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transdimensional · 16/10/2018 17:51

I doubt very much that he's referring to Bercow (as some suggested here). Bear in mind, the Speaker once elected is technically no longer a Tory MP ( www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/current-state-of-the-parties/ ) nor does he have the word Conservative next to his name when standing for re-election, eg last year in Buckingham.
A minor technicality from our point of view but something David Davies would know.

GenderApostate · 16/10/2018 17:53

I don’t think I’m being paranoid in saying that posibky the reason David TC Davies is able to speak out is that nobody ‘pulling the strings’ behind the scenes has any ‘dirt’ on him.
I’m reminded of the series a year or two ago that followed the goings on in Parliament - I remember a man (possibly a whip) saying that they liked knowing peoples secrets so they had a hold over them. Hmmm.

Cuntysnark · 16/10/2018 17:55

I hear you Jemima. I’m going to take the dog out and ruminate. R0wan, I would like to buy you a drink one day!

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 16/10/2018 17:57

Wow - thanks

It's interesting how much seems to be achieved their side via the courts. On women's hr someone
said that Irish self id came was in response to a case bought by a transwoman, and I know the GRA was similarly. Guiliana's objective re Venice and Linda Bellos was presumably to establish case law around hate crime (though that seems unlikely now).

Is anyone fundraising for legal action / supporting the victims of Karen White? Case law on that would be good

MsJeminaPuddleduck · 16/10/2018 18:00

Cuntysnark - good plan. I'd better cook 

ToeToToe · 16/10/2018 18:04

According to posie, trans women in the police can now intimately search women because of case law. Eamonn Holmes seemed to think that was just fine.

People can be so ridiculously stupid about this stuff - great big screaming red flags flying around safeguarding practices - and people like Eamonn, and Woman's fucking Hour are going "but what if he really feels like a woman?"

And people wonder how Saville could have happened Hmm

ToeToToe · 16/10/2018 18:06

I think I need a lie down. I have a terrible feeling of foreboding about all this. I wonder what's going to come out next, what's happening right now, and what will happen in the future.

R0wantrees · 16/10/2018 18:06

I doubt very much that he's referring to Bercow (as some suggested here)

I'm sure that its not Bercow who reported Davies to the Police.

James Kirkup wrote:
"Why did John Bercow refuse to let MPs debate the state-sponsored abuse of women? I have no idea and his office told me they never give a reason for the rejection of a UQ. He is, of course, meant to be a wholly neutral figure who discharges his duties as Speaker even-handedly and without bias to any cause or campaign. I have no reason to think he did otherwise on this occasion. However, it is at least worth noting that John Bercow is also the President of the Kaleidoscope Trust, an advocacy organisation that describes its mission thus: ‘We urge the British government and Commonwealth stakeholders to use their influence in support of the rights of LGBT people.’

No doubt Mr Bercow believes that he can do his job as objective, neutral Speaker while holding that role at Kaleidoscope Trust without any conflict or embarrassment. I am not saying he can’t. But I wonder if the women attacked by the rapist Karen White in HMP New Hall will think the man who chairs the assembly speaks for them."

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/the-state-has-failed-karen-whites-victims/

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merrymouse · 16/10/2018 18:06

I think the process is
1). “Special provisions for women (e.g all women short lists) are unfair and discriminate against men.”

2). “Oh OK have your all women short lists.”

3). “But you have to include these other people in your shortlist for some vaguely sexist reason that nobody will put into words.”

4). “Why do you need all women shortlists? It’s not as though anyone can define what a woman is. We’ve agreed that all these other people are women and they don’t go on about periods. Stop being so exclusionary and stop going on about these random things that could happen to anyone”.

5). But actually we did quite like that thing where we could stop you being Freemasons for no specific reason so we’ll keep that law.

And maybe even...

6). Can we revisit voting rights now we have established that politics is too difficult for people with lady brains?

BettyDuMonde · 16/10/2018 18:07

Odds on there are some very powerful men with some very particular paraphilias in both the Commons and the Lords.

It may be no great conspiracy, just a plain ol’ vested (camisoled?) interest.

🙊

numptynuts · 16/10/2018 18:12

What the actual fuck is going on?

I'm actually scared now. This is bigger than we think and very, very sinister.

I feel for the children of today, having to try and navigate this toxic, misogynistic and twisted world. They will be lost.

Mustn't give up though!

Needmoresleep · 16/10/2018 18:18

But this is not only the UK.

The US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, Scotland, Scandinavia, possibly more, have embraced Self ID faster and more enthusiastically than us. It has been thick and fast and pretty universal.

Why?

breastfeedingclownfish · 16/10/2018 18:21

Er... Scotland was in the UK last time I checked Needmoresleep.

Nor is Self ID is law in Scotland. Yet.

EverardDigby · 16/10/2018 18:21

Men's rights to sexual fetishes and women and girls bodies. Does it need to be any more complicated than that? Alongside muted opposition because of not wanting to appear mean.

R0wantrees · 16/10/2018 18:21

I feel for the children of today, having to try and navigate this toxic, misogynistic and twisted world. They will be lost.

Lisa Muggeridge (Social Worker):

'#Butterfly, Mermaids, and how easy it is to hide grooming in plain sight.'

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RollsEyesClapsHands · 16/10/2018 18:22

Remember Cyril Smith?
Certain men will spend years getting themselves into a position where they can abuse their power and influence.
We know that.
It is very, very depressing and it is everywhere. All the way to the top.