Transwoman takes women's world record

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Rachel McKinnon has tweeted that Rachel has taken the women's 200m indoor cycling world record.

It makes me so angry for the women who have trained so hard to have to compete against male bodied athletes.

"Hi i'm a cyclist who was born female.

The fact is, that if we ignore all trans athletes, the (cis)women who excel at sport are those who are lucky enough to be born with a "more male" physiology:

less body fat, higher testosterone, bigger lung capacity etc."

That's completely false and quite offensive.

At the long jump for example, the free testosterone range of 56 female competitors at two World Championships was 2.1 - 24.2 pmol/L.

The 5th and 95th percentile figures for 30yo women are 4.2 and 22.2 pmol/L respectively.

So elite female athletes are not in fact 'more male' in terms of their testosterone levels, since their testosterone levels are female. In some events female athletes with lower testosterone do better than female athletes with higher testosterone.

That's NOT to say testosterone is not performance-enhancing, but the average male level of testosterone is TWENTY times higher than the average female level, so to the extent that elite women athletes are elite women athletes it is because their physiology is elite, but it is NOT a male physiology, or a 'more male' physiology.

Masculinity is expressed in the production of small gametes (not present in female athletes) and testicles producing testosterone (ditto). Masculinity does result in certain physiological factors being on average larger, but that does not make tall women 'more masculine' FFS

To be clear normal male testosterone levels are 200-750 pmol/L, so massively higher than female levels, and far beyond anything a woman is capable of producing.

I still don't understand why this isn't being reported more widely.

Because nobody really gives a crap about women.

Well, yes, I know. But it seems somewhat topical.

It's on Yahoo!

uk.yahoo.com/sports/news/not-fair-runner-fumes-transgender-world-champion-075054632.html

Lots of men in the comments saying it's unfair.

Was there a man's competition at the same time? Is it possible to work out where RM would have been placed in that competition?

Breaking records is a nice little earner according to Rachel

I can't put my finger on why this victory photo is so sad.

Shared this on fb, what a joke!

Rachel claims to have lower testosterone levels than most women

1. That'll be a lie.

1. Rachel enjoyed male levels of testosterone - and its clearly visible effects on Rachel's body - all the way through Rachel's life.

@QuiteContraryMary

Sorry I meant "more male" only in relation to other "non-elite-sportspeople" women

but that does not make tall women 'more masculine' FFS

If you are trending more towards the male norm than the female norm is what i meant

By the way i think testosterone is a massive red herring - i think it does help you in recovery for endurance events - but I think lung capacity, heart size, VO2 max, overall frame size and musculature of having been an adult male have a greater unfair impact (that doesn't go away just because you lowered your testosterone)

Appropriation of the experiences of those discriminated against during apartheid and US race segregation often used by TRAs.

cf Guardian article about children & schools:
(extract)
"Susie Green, CEO of the charity Mermaids, disagrees, saying the debate about single-sex toilets seems “engineered to whip up fear” and is equivalent to “arguing people of colour shouldn’t be allowed to use the same toilets as white people in case they make them dirty”. (continues)

www.theguardian.com/education/2018/may/15/transgender-row-teachers-afraid-challenge-breast-binding

Susie Green should be fucking ashamed of this: ""Susie Green, CEO of the charity Mermaids, disagrees, saying the debate about single-sex toilets seems “engineered to whip up fear” and is equivalent to “arguing people of colour shouldn’t be allowed to use the same toilets as white people in case they make them dirty”.

It's not remotely similar, not even slightly.

Funny how she's happy to make comparisons like that, whereas if people make comparisons about what she did to her child, they'd have their post deleted and an interview with West Yorkshire Police.

Or maybe not...IAAF....."We have seen in a decade and more of research that 7.1 in every 1000 elite female athletes in our sport have elevated testosterone levels, the majority are in the restricted events covered by these regulations,” Bermon said. “This is around 140 times what you will find in the general female population which demonstrates to us in statistical terms a recruitment bias.”"

'Was there a man's competition at the same time? Is it possible to work out where RM would have been placed in that competition?'

Rachel got a speed of 60.402 kph.

mastersworlds2018.veloresults.com/pdf/44F35spqr.pdf

This would have placed Rachel 8th, but not in the 35-39 men, in the 60-64 men mastersworlds2018.veloresults.com/pdf/377M60spqr.pdf

I think if Rachel had been allowed to compete in the 70+ men she would have won! Go Rachel! Go collect your pension!

people have criticised susie green and been interviewed by yorkshire police? What did they say about her? I’ve said that I can’t understand her decision to take a 16 year old abroad to be castrated. Is it not ok to say this?

twitter.com/HairyLeggdHarpy/status/1052199906105016321

papayas yes I think MN have deleted others on here for saying that.

Posie Parker was interviewed by WYP, you can read her account here: www.theposieparker.com/news

In that pic where the cheat gloats about their thievings winnings, it also mentions 2 track records. Is that one world record and one record for that particular velodrome? Hard to believe anything they say though isn't it.

I think McK won't get a good reception in Manchester next year if they dare to go, even if it is generally the land of the dangerously woke.

Much respect to that 3rd placed cyclist for speaking out and also for being an awesome athlete. Look at her! She is half the size of McKinnon and looks like she has half the musculature, presumably normal levels of T for a woman and yet she came third, not far behind someone with a huge biological advantage over her. She must be one hell of an athlete and I bet she worked and trained incredibly hard - which makes this painfully unfair.