Transwoman takes women's world record

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Rachel McKinnon has tweeted that Rachel has taken the women's 200m indoor cycling world record.

It makes me so angry for the women who have trained so hard to have to compete against male bodied athletes.

I had this fitness test done to see how well my heart was oxygenating stuff.

I went with a mate who's a GP. My results came back and she looked at them. She said I had an excellent lung capacity. 90% I said what if I was 100%, she said "you'd be man"

Apparently they'd measured me on the male scale. I'm thinking (although I'm not a biologist and happy to hear views) this means men have a naturally larger lung capacity. I'm very tall. I'm strong. But I'm female so they'll always have that advantage.

Rachel has no shame. It's pretty obvious the effects of growing up a man has had on Rachel's body.

You won nothing Rachel.

I can't see any reports of this in the MSM in the UK. If not, why not?

Because it goes against the brainwashed belief that transwomen are stunning and brave and the most oppressed people on earth.

The second place gal is supporting Rachel - probably fearing team condemnation.

I read that tweet. It's like something akin to Stockholm Syndrome. Being so woke and willing the centre the needs of an obviously narcissistic man that you will hand over your rightful gold medal.

Some women have been done a complete number on with this trans bollocks.

It's like something akin to Stockholm Syndrome

It's a bit harsh to say this, she's entilted to her opinion just as much as we are, doesn't mean she has Stockholm Syndrome.

According to RM's own website and their profile on Charleston College, they are mainly a badminton player (and golf and climbing)? Cycling isn't mentioned anyway.

Their field of research is listed as "I also work on a variety of issues in feminism and feminist philosophy, particularly issues relating to gender and queer identities. Some of my current work deals with problems that I see with allies and ally culture, and how these connect to gaslighting and epistemic injustice. I also work on issues arising from stereotype threat and attributional ambiguity for trans-identified women."

So basically goes looking for anything they can call transphobic and unfair.

It might sound harsh but she is taking the side of the abuser over the abused despite being a victim of it herself. I understand that some people just want to be nice but it's enabling the continuation of these situations so the victims of this type of cheating in sport will just keep piling up.

The KH thread is depressing though. Yes nobody agrees it's right but a huge amount are blaming women and feminists for bringing this on themselves.

Unfortunately i think there is some truth in this. As a young woman I totally embraced snd bought the TWAW and “born in the wrong body” rhetoric and probably agreed woth “stunning and brave” - maybe not stunning in second thoughts. I doubt men ever really embraced it the way women did.

This was retweeted by Mckinnon. I'm not sure they read the comments beforehand... twitter.com/CBCOlympics/status/1051923910596448257

Beginning to wonder if Mckinnon is actually trolling trying to show how ridiculous the whole situation is - it’s the only thing that makes sense.

"Rachel McKinnon argues that whether transgender women have an unfair advantage is irrelevant because the important thing is to ensure that transgender people are not oppressed."

Let that sink in for a second - there is not one single shit given about reality (suggesting they are fully aware of their advantage), because it's all about "me me me".

Fuck the fuck off.

N.B: only using the pronoun "they" as enforced by MN, certainly not out of respect.

You're a cheat Rachel. You have no shame.

What are women to do?

Should the refuse to compete?

Should they set up alternative races?

It is just so obvious - this is like emperors new clothes are we really meant to believe that the cyclist who is proclaiming to win a world record is not physically built like a man - are we really meant to believe that this man is on a level playing field to women?

I love Pink News tweeting "this is an incredible achievement." Uh-huh. Man stronger than women. Incredible. What's incredible is that this is being allowed to happen.

NOTHING in this picture says 'fair' or 'sporting'.

are we really meant to believe that this man is on a level playing field to women?

I don't believe any sane person truly believes it, I believe it's being allowed due to fear of offending or upsetting someone.

You know that kid in school with the violent older brother? That kid that no other kid could say anything too? That kid who bullied people and stole their food or money? And if anyone said anything they'd get their brother to beat you up?
It's a bit like that.. everyone has to be nice or fear a Twitter backlash, police complaints and threats of violence and intimidation.

This just makes me so mad. But I have read other posters say they don't identify with women at all and that is so right.

It is more like being a cuckoo in the nest.

There's also the issue of seat bone and pelvis shape and the lack of a vulva/ clitoris to take into account , and more so if they have had their testicles removed. There are so many hours spent in the saddle and in the tucked aero position on the track that it has to make a difference.

Hi i'm a cyclist who was born female.

The fact is, that if we ignore all trans athletes, the (cis)women who excel at sport are those who are lucky enough to be born with a "more male" physiology:

less body fat, higher testosterone, bigger lung capacity etc.

Sport by its very nature is not equal.

We know that there are athletes born with androdgenous sexual make up (caster semenya for example). I can see how on a philosophical level, trans-women expand this concept to considering that they are "women" lucky enough to be born with an entirely male sexual make up.

The fact is that dividing sports to provide a "womens" category is an arbitrary division. What is not fair to the "normal"/ (cis) women on the "womens" side of this line is that the goal posts have been moved so spectacularly and so rapidly, and not to their advantage. What about their rights to be able to compete in a biologically appropriate competition?

In cycling I sometimes can choose to compete in a mixed field. Even though cycling is a "non-contact" sport it can be intimidating because a "touch of elbows" is very different when the other rider is considerably heavier than you.

I don't mind calling transwomen "she", or even "women", maybe I can even accept that they are looking for a forum in which they can participate and compete in sport, but we have to find a way to do this in a way that doesn't erode the right of (cis) women to compete against other biological women - and I don't know what that solution looks like.

cis isn't allowed on MN, please don't use it.

Bottom line is, if you're an athlete you compete as per you sex and you need to decide which is more important, your sport or your identity.

I’ve got a question.

Rachel there, as I understand it, has had no surgery. Rachel is wearing generic cycling clothes.
If Rachel has male genitalia, a male body and male hormone levels and male clothes what makes Rachel female?

twitter.com/jkwagnermd/status/1051794655698976773

Rachel claims to have lower testosterone levels than most women

Just wow. What a knob.

Did I just see the stadium called dick lane in these pics in link above
😂😂😂

Sport by its very nature is not equal.

We try to make it more fair by separating people into categories.

This is why men and women don't usually compete in the same class (except in things like showjumping).