Ricky Gervais chimes in over Karen White

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Rickeyyy!!!

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Given they are usually in for far more minor crimes than men (not paying tv license for example ) and that their crimes are very frequently in order yo support a family member, do you feel that their incarceration should be made far worse by being locked in with men?

But a trans woman who doesn't pay her tv licence should be locked in with the men?

Sorry violent rapists are people, but I don’t give a shit about them.

Getting this back to GC comedians, Bill Maher is edging this way, I believe.

Despite previously being supportive of US ‘bathroom bills’ in the past, in his most recent stand up he talks about needing a whole new name for actual women, now that woman seems to include men.

He suggests ‘women classic’ 🤓

I think this is easy. Male sex organs = male prison. Female sex organs = female prison. Males who are transitioning should be segregated in a male prison until fully transitioned and then transferred to a female prison. Females who are transitioning should be segregated in a female prison until fully transitioned and then transferred to a male prison. Can't see why this simple solution wasn't applied...

What RiverTam said.

There should be no males in womens prisons ever. No ifs ands or buts.

Vulnerability is not what qualifies you for inclusion in the female estate (there are plenty of other vulnerable male prisoners who are not trans and don't get sent there, I'm unsure why trans ones deserve special treatment in that regard).

Once again females being told to make room for the males that don't fit.

No.

Thank you Ricky Gervais

Sorry violent rapists are people, but I don’t give a shit about them.

Totally understand that. Not all trans women are violent rapists. Not even all trans women who still have their penises. I assume you care about them though? Or am I giving you too much credit?

At least you think trans women who have fully transitioned should be in with all the other women GGirl, that's something. I'm not sure how many of these other posters agree with you though. What do you think about that?

yes, because he's a man. And by calling these men women, on their say-so, you are doing exactly what you claim not to want to, throwing one group (women) to the wolves because of your care for another (men).

I do think that this case will bring a lot of people to this realisation. I wonder what it will take for those who still can't see it? A Girl Guide being raped? A Brownie? Well, it won't be my Brownie, not for all the 'care' in the world.

Caligula do you think Karen White is a woman?

Do you think it's possible to change sex?

Caligula .. Oh we’re back to the same old argument of just how awful a man has to be before he’s not a woman.

Either they are or they aren’t women - why are you even trying to introduce a tiered system? I believe it’s considered transphobic?

I’ll stick to sex segregation thanks.

What does "fully transitioned" mean though Caligula?

It's very transphobic of you to delineate between someone who's said they're trans and someone who's had surgery and is living the stereotypical life.

ThereHi is no division now between those two.

In that case they have to be treated the same, and meanwhile women need to be protected.

You CAN be a woman in law,

Lovely, now just tell me what being a woman is, ta

Caligula, the transwoman who has had SRS and is in prison for a totally non violent crime is not the issue here.

Karen White doesn't even have a GRC and yet was able to go to a woman's prison, because that was the level of disregard that the system had for women's safety.

And TRAs are campaigning for that woeful level of safeguarding to be even further eroded.

That is was people are fucked off about.

I think it is completely the duty of the prison service to identify dangerous inmates and to keep other prisoners safe from them.

Saying something is a "duty" is easy, but what measures do you suggest the prison service use to distinguish between male-bodied people who might be a danger to women and those who definitely won't be? I think you are overestimating the ability of the prison service to do this. How would they do it? Criminal record? But only 6% of rapists (those who are ever charged) are convicted, and studies estimate that between 6 and 25% of men are capable of rape. Psychological testing? There are plenty of instances of plausible prisoners released by parole boards, who then go on to commit the same horrendous crime again.

I am so happy that Ricky Gervais is engaging on this. Ricky like most people can spot the TRA attempts to enforce thought policing a mile off- and i’m guessing he probably also knows that human biology is not a completely made up concept.

And yes, saying that someone who has had SRS is a genuine transwoman and someone who has not isn't a 'proper' transwoman is very transphobic isn't it?

Caligula do you think Karen White is a woman?

Karen White doesn't think Karen White is a woman, from what I've read! Didn't he admit to pretending to be trans to access women in prison? This is exactly the kind of thing prisons should be well aware of; criminals being, well, criminal.

Don’t try to put words into my mouth or make this personal Cali.

I work alongside trans people, it’s not an issue, I care about them as colleagues, we rub along fine.

Why do we have separate male and female prisons anyway? Many people would say that one reason is to protect women from the risk of rape/sexual assault by a man (i.e. a penis-haver) as, no matter what her crime, the risk of rape is categorically NOT a part of her legally-sanctioned punishment.

Even though the majority of penis-havers- including those in prison for non-sexual, non-violent crimes - may have no intention whatsoever of ever committing a rape, the fact that they are physically equipped for it means that it is still too great a risk for them to be imprisoned at close quarters alongside women.

That being the case, what possible justification could any sane person ever give for imprisoning a penis-haver WHO HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF USING SAID APPENDAGE TO COMMIT RAPE - alongside women???? Primary consideration must always favour the potential victim rather than the proven aggressor.

As a very accommodating concession, it MIGHT theoretically be acceptable to allow said penis-haver who now identifies as a female into a female prison if he/she agrees to completely surrender the weapon that they used for their crime by having it permanently surgically removed. After all, nobody would dream of letting a knife-murderer keep their knife on going into prison, would they? Why ever could somebody identifying as female want to own a penis, anyway? Or is that different, because it involves the criminal having to choose to make a sacrifice rather than everybody else being forced to?

Whatever gender (or none) you identify as, it's perfectly simple to avoid being imprisoned for rape as the vast majority of penis-havers do. All you have to do is.... nothing at all.

And yes, saying that someone who has had SRS is a genuine transwoman and someone who has not isn't a 'proper' transwoman is very transphobic isn't it?

God I wish Verbeena was here, we could have a right old laugh at how YET AGAIN that is not what I said. Not even close! Go on, tell me again that's what I said, even when it's here in black and white.

nice dodging of the question.

do you think Karen White is a man? You, not Karen White, or the judge, or anyone else. You.

saying that someone who has had SRS is a genuine transwoman and someone who has not isn't a 'proper' transwoman is very transphobic isn't it?

It's also meaningless if self-id happens. I do hope all the people who believe TWAW if they've had full surgery to remove their male genitals argued this within the consultation...

do you think Karen White is a man? You, not Karen White, or the judge, or anyone else. You.

I think Karen White is a dangerous man, a rapist, and is a threat to everyone around them, particularly women. I don't think you have to be a genius to spot that. I don't understand how you're not up in arms at the prison service for somehow not spotting that blatantly obvious fact.

@RiverTam I agree with everything you say. I honestly cannot see how and why this idea of self ID has ever been countenanced. Man says "I'm a woman", woman says "How are you a woman?", man says "Because I say so." Just madness and would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerous.