Ricky Gervais chimes in over Karen White

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Rickeyyy!!!

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Caligula I appreciate you coming on here to debate.
Could you help to answer some questions as this topic is very confusing for a person with ASD who is asking me about it.

If a person has anorexia, and is dangerously under weight, do we believe them when they say they are fat? And do we give them liposuction and a gastric band? If not, why do we believe someone who says they believe that have the wrong sex organs?

Could you explain what someone needs to do to “live as a woman” (or as a man) which you mentioned earlier? How can this be done without resorting to oppressive stereotypes?

The people all too keen to defend Karen White and wittering about misgendering and all that shite, don’t seem in the slightest concerned about the women raped and sexually assaulted.

But my god you can’t misgender someone, it’s so violating.

What the fuck do you think rape is then? A bloody party?

Ffs.

CaligulaBlushed Karen White says that Karen White is a woman.

Karen White maintains this position, even now.

Is Karen White a woman, in your opinion?

Hang on a minute - Women not wanting to be locked in with male bodied people to shower, toilet, sleep etc are transphobic?

Can you just repeat that so I'm quite clear that's what you mean?

Can you explain how it is transphobic to say that a male bodied transwoman should be put in a male prison?

Can you explain how it's NOT transphobic to recoil in disgust at the idea of sharing a space with a totally non-violent trans woman?

Does your humanity extend only to natal women then? Our poor sons

If a rapist was attacking men in prison then I’d think they shouldn’t be in the general population.

There have always - until now - been separate prisons for men and women
because:

• we can't tell in advance which men are the ones who would rape or strangle women

• it is cruel for women to be locked up 24/7 with male prisoners who are usually much stronger than they are.

A completely separate wing of the men's prisons should be set aside for transwomen, even those with GRC
That way they are safe from men and not made to feel uncomfortable by them, without risking the safety & comfort of women prisoners

Women prisoners can't choose not to be there and they are there 24/7,

so that is quite different to the situation outside prison,
where some of us agree that a transwoman with a GRC could access access single sex loos, changing rooms etc

Can you explain how it's NOT transphobic to recoil in disgust at the idea of sharing a space with a totally non-violent trans woman?

Can you state, with confidence, that you know for a fact that sharing female only spaces with a male bodied trans woman means there wouldn’t be violence?

Men in one prison.

Women in another.

Be as emotive and spluttery as you want about "our poor sons", but the cold hard logic of it needs to be reduced to that. For the sake of our sisters, mums, daughters, and women in general.

Those who support putting rapists in women’s prisons are guilty of rape by proxy.

AspieAndProud yes!

Your disgust and revulsion at the very idea is palpable.

The disgust and revulsion I feel is at the male entitlement and lack of respect for women and their safety, privacy and dignity that would put males in the female estate.

So transphobia actually means 'unwilling to get naked in front of a random male bodied person'?

Hang on a minute - Women not wanting to be locked in with male bodied people to shower, toilet, sleep etc are transphobic?

Not all trans women are "male bodied"

Unless you'd look at a body with breasts and no penis and say, "yeah, that's a male body, those are the bodily features of a male, definitely". In which case I would refer you to your biology textbooks.

Everyone's body is different. Every trans person's body is different.

Anybody who would put an unprovable feeling in a man's head over the safety, privacy and comfort of vulnerable women is a complete and utter arsehole.

I would be horrified at sharing prison space with any man, even if they were in for a minor offence
Transwomen are men

Most of the time that doesn't matter and I'll happily use preferred pronouns etc

but if I'm banged up against my will by the state 24/7, then the state should not violate my human rights and risk my safety, by locking me up with a man

Can you explain how it's NOT transphobic to recoil in disgust at the idea of sharing a space with a totally non-violent trans woman?

Depends if you normally get changed, share bedrooms etc with nice safe men who are not your husband/partner. And if you are cool with children doing that too. I would recoil in disgust at the bloody Pope wanting to share a shower with me. I think my Dad would be pretty horrified at having to share a shower with Mother bloody Teresa.

These boundaries are really normal and extremely healthy.

Does your humanity extend only to natal women then? Our poor sons
Your poor sons maybe, leave my sons out of it. My sons have been raised to respect women's boundaries and not to force themselves into women's spaces.

I don't want to shower or disrobe in front of any men - even ones who say they're women.

I include my dad, my brothers and all male members of my family in that.

And I don't see why any woman should be forced to, especially those incarcerated who cannot then take themselves out of the situation.

lol seriously, you're arguing now that it's fine because we're talking about people with total SRS? You know that's rubbish. And yes, even the tiny, tiny population with total SRS (even tinier if you're looking for the prison population of people with SRS)is male bodied, of course they are.

Can you explain how it's NOT transphobic to recoil in disgust at the idea of sharing a space with a totally non-violent trans woman?

The 'totally non violent' has nothing to do with it. Males and females, both violent and non violent, are separated in these situations for many reasons.

Can you state, with confidence, that you know for a fact that sharing female only spaces with a male bodied trans woman means there wouldn’t be violence?

Can you state with confidence that you know for a fact that sharing a female only space with a female bodied natal woman means there wouldn't be violence? Men together, women together, violent and dangerous people elsewhere.

Still refusing to define transwoman.

Until you do there's no point even talking.

You mean one thing, Stonewall means another, society thinks another.

Isn't the logical end point of that to not segregate prisons by sex at all then?

Ah, now women are the violent ones too.