Womxn controversy on Newsnight

[WTFisawomxn]

Watching BBC 2 right now.
Looks like it will come up later in the programme.

I do find it ever so hard to understand why so many people are running about telling us how to ‘be women’ now. For my part, it involved bring born and surviving into adulthood. No matter what I wear, my interests, or anything else.

Perhaps this is really what the year of the woman is about. Men remember women have been allowed to live their lives and it is time to stamp on us again so we return to the kitchen.

twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1050146831571644416

For the clip that includes Sophie explaining the 'inclusive' nature of the new spelling including 'women of colour'.

'Cos, you know, the word 'women' didn't do so before.

I agree with you, pombear. It's all just outrageous.
And Humber, I share your discomfort completely.

(I feel like this piece was almost personal against gender-critical feminists?)

Side issue, OK - and I don't like 'womyn' anyway. But was just about to post that a good half of the black feminists I follow on Twitter use it, when you posted your link Errol.

So, another made-up problem by trans advocates to deny everyone else's history and recreate it in their own image. How immensely surprising.

(do complain to the BBC)

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296433-BBC-Bias-Collecting-Examples-here

I feel so frustrated that we are being fucked over once again by men and men who would like to be women. But mainly that men are pandering to trans women in a way that never happens with women.

I'm appalled by postnatal care for women.
I'm shocked that women lose their jobs while on maternity leave and their employers get away with it.
I could go on.
Where are the softly spoken voices and special programmes where they tiptoe around us and try not to offend us?

I just feel so useless. I have these strong views and feel utterly powerless to act.

When are BBC journalists actually going to get to the meat of the issue? FFS, it's all laid out here for them! I don't even mean agreeing with the GC pov, just getting to the basic points of contention so they can host proper discussion.

WTF it is outrageous.

And I think Haddock et al would be happy we think it's outrageous, and be happy at our outrage. I sense a lot of TRAs get off on women's outrage.

But they forget that, as well as our outrage, each single small step, each single little cut, like the billboard take-down, like Dawn Butler's office's email, like the image of the post-phalloplasty arm, Sophie's interview is another talking point.

A talking point that lots of other people won't have yet seen.

Sophie was Steve until 2015. (Not dead-naming, Sophie has a website all about it - and I empathise with Sophie's mental health issues, they're a male who felt they were a woman. They're still not a woman.)

But now Sophie gets a platform on Newsnight to talk about how women might feel about a new word.

That certainly was some interesting visual framing on the zoom-out shots. Almost as if someone at the beeb is getting a bit sick of pretending.

Women excludes women of colour?. Straight up RACIST as fuck. What am I ? A figment of my own fucking imagination?

These utter tools are just trolling the fuck out of us now aren't they?

I was guffawing with laughter watching that clip with the fawning male interviewer speaking so gently to the stunning and brave womxn. Sophie Cook looks very different in video compared to the carefully posed and photo shopped pictures I've seen elsewhere. Les Dawson popped up inside my head, adjusted his bosoms and refused to leave.

If they'd promise to stop claiming to be women, and flaunting their racism (as if black women have ever not been women) I'd happily repeat the mantra that transwomxn are womxn as required, and gladly include all those other blue haired womxn in alongside them.

Favourite tweet so far - "When you have lost control of your vowels."

make a complaint to the BBC
ssl.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/?lang=en&reset=&uid=125327067

There's a pic of Cook with Corbyn where Cook's head looks as if it's twice the size of Corbyn's. Corbyn is not a small man...

As usual Twitter thinks it's bollocks, or possibly bxllxs.

Indeed pombear

What they don't understand is that every woman who gets angry will be more compelled to take those small steps. There will be someone who might have been on the fence, who thought it wasn't such a big deal, but now watched two biological males arguing about what a woman is, making racist insinuations, and pontificating on how women are being hysterical unkind when they protest this utter nonsense.

It keeps getting worse. Many women are trained to pick up on bad behaviour... This is what it looks like. That's why so many women are getting involved in taking small actions, because they're fed up.

Oh, and I'd completely forgotten that this is the same Sophie Cook who recently flounced out of hustings and left the Labour Party when local party members refused to nominate them for the candidacy, despite the National Executive Committee trying to force them through.

Due to financial irregularites in company dealings in the past, if I recall.

The idea that women of color aren't women is fucking outrageous, and is increasingly put forward by middle ages white males as a reason why we have to accept the nonsense they're selling it.

Not having it, mate.

'Well although yeah, if you - if you use women that includes transwomen it includes everyone who defines ... so, urm ... you'd think that was safe in a sense that people who are not defined in that way wouldn't define themselves that way and therefore they wouldn't worry about the use of the word women spelt conventionally.'

'Or am I missing something?'

We've got 9 days left to do the consultation and this is the standard of BBC coverage.

What an absolute fucking disgrace.

I can tell you that I'm currently feeling a great deal less kind than I was before I watched that clip.

Agree Pombear. Till 2015 Sophie Cook was a pretty ordinary middle aged bloke, with a job as a photographer with a Championship football club and a bit of a chequered financial history.

The sort of bloke who would only get his opinions listened to down the pub if everyone had necked at least a couple of sherberts.

Come out as trans and hey presto. Appearances on Newsnight, Jo Cox leadership programme, and a Labour candidate.

Why?

Yep Needmoresleep.

Oh, and by the way, I also write (on here, and a little bit elsewhere) and have could skew my cv to say I'm a 'broadcaster' like Sophie given my history, so I think I'd qualify for 'writer and broadcaster' status on a Newsnight tweet too.

Though sadly I'm just a woman, not a mxn, so would probably be relegated to 'poster Pombear'.

And for anyone thinking that's an overstatement, see this complementary BBC News article, which relegates every tweeting woman to a tweet, elevating only a queer theorist and the chair of Trans Media Watch to offically comment on the 'womxn' debate.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45810709

This is not even a thing!

There is a proper thing going on! Fuck em all.

Probably pexk trxns-d a few people though.
Probably a few more when they wake up and find out they've had their Twitter suspended for genuinely asking why there are 2 men talking about this

The only people the word 'women' excludes is men like Sophie.

But Sophie Cook was nothing special as a man either.

There is something about putting on that frock.

Pips Bunce was a dull married IT man working for a bank, living in the Home Counties. A dress gets him glam photo shoots, industry awards, and a place at the table to discuss safeguarding in the Girls Guides.

What is going on. It’s insanity.

Les Dawson popped up inside my head, adjusted his bosoms and refused to leave