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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Womxn controversy on Newsnight

309 replies

WTFisawomxn · 10/10/2018 22:37

Watching BBC 2 right now.
Looks like it will come up later in the programme.

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littlbrowndog · 10/10/2018 23:08

He just let Sophie tell him all about women
And he did a special soft fecking voice to Sophie

chickenloverwoman · 10/10/2018 23:08

I've just watched this. No "natal" woman available to appear as well, for some balance?

ErrolTheDragon · 10/10/2018 23:09

Who knows how to do the complaints thing well?
I didn't see it myself but not having an actual woman to discuss the mangling of the word 'woman' is beyond belief.

Why were they talking about 'womyn', is anyone using that now?Confused

HumberElla · 10/10/2018 23:10

Well that was chummy! Conclusion being that lots of people appear to be very quickly offended over nothing at all.
Finishing with a little knowing look and a chuckle together.

enrichedatthegulags · 10/10/2018 23:11

I have gone from not really too bothered by it all to CONSTANTLY FXCKING FUMING about it.
Once you see it you can't unsee it.

AutoFillUsername · 10/10/2018 23:11

I don’t normally contribute to these threads but was watching Newsnight and boiling with rage. Even DH, who has never knowingly thought about these debate, laughed at the idea that two male born Caucasians could sit on national tv and discuss between themselves how feminist women aren’t inclusive.

littlbrowndog · 10/10/2018 23:11

Them white middle class feminists was used by Sophie as well

Binglebong · 10/10/2018 23:12

Just said women doesn't include transwomen...

WTFisawomxn · 10/10/2018 23:14

The irony of course, is that Sophie is likely at least middle-class and is certainly white.....

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Binglebong · 10/10/2018 23:14

"Transwomen aren't offended by the spelling of women. FUCK OFF. JUST FUCK THE HELL OFF.

Frankenterfer · 10/10/2018 23:14

If women doesn't include trans women, then she agrees that trans women are not women?

Binglebong · 10/10/2018 23:14

Yes, i am offended that Sophie is on tonight. They are quite right.

Binglebong · 10/10/2018 23:16

No because they also said it doesnt include "women of colour". Apparently women only means white middle class women.

Which rather begs the question of why transwomen want it?

elephantoverthehill · 10/10/2018 23:17

I'm so utterly confused by that piece. Journalism? Confused. No mention of the Metro advert today to add any balance or indeed a woman.

Binglebong · 10/10/2018 23:17

Honestly my rage is rising tonight.

littlbrowndog · 10/10/2018 23:18

Yeps Sophie said that
The word women does not include wome n of colour
Ffs ffs ffs ffs

Binglebong · 10/10/2018 23:18

I would imagine they are pretending the metro ad doesn't exist. Or at least the smart ones are. The billboard appears to have at least taught a few about the Streisand effect.

Procrastinator1 · 10/10/2018 23:18

I am absolutely furious. Really a step too far. How about a cancellation of direct debits for licence fees?

TwllBach · 10/10/2018 23:18

Can I watch this on catchup I wonder?

If they’re going to change women to womxn, how are they pronouncing that? Not only is it fucking bullshit but the early years teacher in me is howling at the stars. Fucking womxn. Fucks my phonics lessons right up doesn’t it??

If it’s womxn, do we have mxn also? Or would it be myn? Or how about mfuckingwomenocersincethebeginningoftime...n? That has a nice look to it.

ExtremistParanoidBigot · 10/10/2018 23:19

WTF did I just watch?

LikeDust · 10/10/2018 23:19

I sniff an orchestrated strategy in all this.

I'd never seen the spelling womxn until it was a sudden bombardment, and now I see Trans Media Watch publicly distancing themselves from it as though it's an actual thing.

It's just a publicity stunt to claw back some credibility after the ridiculous billboard situation with Posie imo.

wejammin · 10/10/2018 23:19

WTF even was that? An issue about women and in particular women of colour and they picked a white trans woman who transitioned aged 50 to discuss it with a white male presenter.

I am fuming.

littlbrowndog · 10/10/2018 23:19

Seems like word as gone out that “ kind” is the new woke word.

Ffs

WTFisawomxn · 10/10/2018 23:20

Transwomxn are womxn seems a more logical statement.

Then women (of all colours, backgrounds, ethnicities, religions, abilities, shapes, ages and sizes) can keep their own words.

Woman: adult human female.

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enrichedatthegulags · 10/10/2018 23:20

How on earth can they justify having 2 male-bodies sat there telling women what they can call themselves?