Aggressive Feminism Boards

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I've been on this board for a while now and long enough to understand the issues and why women are so vocal about them and angry that our rights are threatened.
I'm frustrated reading on other threads, or on social media that this board is aggressive, shoots down discussion, and calls people names if their views don't match the majority. I can't say that I've seen that myself. All I see is intelligent discussion and persuasive arguments. Any goadiness is appropriately dealt with from what I've read as are any views that don't match reality. Maybe that's what upsets people: that their delusions are challenged with indisputable reality.
I'm still new to feminism and learning daily but I see women fighting for other women and prepared to get flak for that. I see some women who have been well and truly brainwashed by the trans movement and by men and the patriarchy in general. And that's the other criticism: that we are too focused on the trans issue. That makes me angry. The trans issue is the major one affecting women and girls at the moment and it's right that we are focused on it.
These complaints are coming from women who are calling themselves feminists and it baffles me completely that feminists can't understand the biggest threat to women and girls.
Now, I'm aware these so called feminists may well be trolls but I don't think they all are. How can some feminists be so opposed to other feminists passionately protecting their rights? Rights that are for ALL women.

I have been in tears over the years on here.

The whole site is is hard with robust debate.

If you've too delicate for MN I suggest netmums.

I am really aggressive. I issue bomb threats to people who don’t agree with me and death threats and put women in headlocks to stop them attending public meetings and...

Oh wait no I don’t do any of that. I do peaceful debate and discussion. But that’s aggressive somehow.

All I see is intelligent discussion and persuasive arguments

There is no discussion though.

Anyone that disagrees will very quickly have their points dismissed by being called a handmaiden, a troll or a man.

That's it. Their opinion is shut down and dismissed.

If that is what you call a discussion then that answers your question as to why people are saying what they are saying on other boards.

I couldn't really care less what other boards are saying.

Have a look found the entire internet if you want to see terrifying levels of sexism.

. Any goadiness is appropriately dealt with from what I've read as are any views that don't match reality. Maybe that's what upsets people: that their delusions are challenged with indisputable reality.

And here is the problem with your view and the feminism boards as they are.

Ive seen the threads you’re talking about. I don’t see the feminism boards in that way but I have to say that AIBU has been vicious lately (more so than usual). I’m not sure if it is new posters or particularly nasty ones but they don’t influence my opinion of the feminism boards.

Have a look found the entire internet if you want to see terrifying levels of sexism.

^^ this. Women discuss something that's important to them, and unless they're suitably nice and appeasing and appreciative of everyone's opinion - even if that opinion is opposite to their own - then they're 'aggressive feminists'. Well, so what? Is there a law that women have to be nice or their opinions can be ignored? Their opinions are ignored anyway.

There's a reason this board has had a huge rise in numbers.

It feels the only place we can talk about the biggest roll back of women's rights for 100 years.

Seeing how women are treated on the rest of social media, this site is a welcome space.

Many don't like that and would try to take this one thing away from us. You have to question why?

BrownPaper, time and time again I see women come on here telling us we are all so unkind and mean and transphobic.

And time and time again they are unable to provide a coherent, convincing argument. They cannot answer ‘what is a woman?’ They say that self ID poses no threat then when presented with real life examples of men abusing it to hurt women they jump on to something else like trans children. When met with real life examples of teenagers being maimed (google arm phalloplasty) and left sterile they disengage on that and go back to ‘yes well you’re all so mean and transphobic so I’m off’

Agree with Juells.

I think people have always said this about Mumsnet, tbh. It is a female dominated forum and a lot of people don't like that.

Ah, BrownPaperTeddy you are one of the posters I had in mind when starting this thread. Perhaps you could explain more how discussion is shot down? I seem to recall you asking for explanations and explanations, very clear, informed, biologically based explanations were given. I don't recall anyone shutting you down but correct me if you were.

And here is the problem with your view and the feminism boards as they are.

What does that even mean? What's the problem with the feminism boards? WTF does anyone expect if not discussions from a female point of view?

“I’m frustrated reading ... that this board is aggressive, shoots down discussion, and calls people names if their views don't match“

This sounds like straightforward projection.

I’ve rarely seen namecalling here. It is true that those arguing against the gender critical position are generally outnumbered, but where opposing views are posted in a civil manner, they’re generally met with a civil response.

Have a look found the entire internet if you want to see terrifying levels of sexism.

This.

I’m not opposed to feminists protecting my rights, as I do the same thing. What I am opposed to is being told my reality is a delusion, or I’ve been brainwashed.

I do not agree with self-ID in the slightest. I also do not agree that trans is THE biggest threat to women’s rights today. It is absolutely something of importance, and something we need to have serious thoughts and discussions on. But I absolutely cannot stand seeing myself other women being belittled, mocked, ganged up on and generally shouted down because their opinion isn’t apparently as worthwhile as whats being said on here. And I’ll stand by that endlessly if necessary. Every voice counts, even if you don’t like what it’s saying.

Exposing skilfully that someone has no coherent argument is not shutting them down or shouting them down.

So you say you can't see this:
"shoots down discussion, and calls people names if their views don't match the majority."

But then you yourself say these things:
"Maybe that's what upsets people: that their delusions are challenged"
"some women who have been well and truly brainwashed by the trans movement and by men and the patriarchy in general"
"Now, I'm aware these so called feminists may well be trolls"

So you don't see where liberal feminists are coming from, but it's probably because they are deluded, brainwashed by men, and trolls? Could you not see the irony as you typed?

Even if you think all those things are true, why would anyone stick around to discuss issues with them when that's the standard response to disagreement? I won't convince you, and you won't convince me, so there is no point in discussing it. That's why a lot of people want to hide the board (though in my view the thread in site stuff seemed suspiciously timed). I haven't because I am interested in the issues and in considering both sides before formulating my own view. That doesn't make me thick, deluded, brainwashed or whatever else.

It means that you are only interested in your own version of the truth and are completely dismissive of others opinions and viewpoints.

Look again- . Any goadiness is appropriately dealt with from what I've read as are any views that don't match reality. Maybe that's what upsets people: that their delusions are challenged with indisputable reality.

I think my point is relatively clear?

When you say 'Rights are for ALL women' do you mean actual women or men who say the are (so everyone just has to accept it because, well 'just because')?

That's why people are pissed off. I hear people spouting about supporting womens rights, women's spaces, women's rape centres, women's changing rooms... And they include physical men in the 'women' tag as if it's an actual reality.

yy I recall people taking a lot of time talking to you Teddy.

So you don't see where liberal feminists are coming from, but it's probably because they are deluded, brainwashed by men, and trolls?

Time after time I've seen posters here who've been ganged up on and driven out of facebook groups by liberal feminists for 'not being inclusive'. Feminism that's inclusive becomes all about men, sad but true.

Sigh. We are a bunch of disrespectful women. Tut.

Yeah. Shouldn't be allowed. And wouldn't be, if the world was being run properly.