Fionne Orlander

[CAAKE]

Good one Fionne!

Does he seriously not hear himself? A non trans person berating someone for representing trans people (which they're not) whilst doing exactly the same.

He just wants Fionne to say it out loud. The very definition of a bully.

He's such an angry, angry man.

Joss Prior is still having a go at Fionne this morning 😣.

Prior is another very angry person.

Furious with Fionne, because Fionne exists. That's all.

This might be a derailment, but I just had a thought

Furious with Fionne, because Fionne exists

When trans supporters get so extremely exercised about feminists "denying their existence" or "denying their right to exist" when we disagree with them, is that because they themselves really, really want people who disagree with them to just vanish?

Does their thinking go: you disagree with me, I wish you wouldn't exist?

And they think we think the same thing?

I'm not sure if I've had a revelation or a random brain burp.

❤️ Fionne.

The abuse Fionne is getting for being themselves as a gender non conforming male, is disgusting. They won't be happy with anything other than total capitulation either, like usual.

This whole thing, denying Fionnes 'right to exist' quite literally kind of reminds me of how that crow insist that women are 'cis' whilst saying noone should ever question gender identity. Yet many women, and most feminists on here that I have seen, say they are not 'cis' as they do not identify with femine sterotypes and such, but they are yelled at that OF COURSE YOU ARE CIS YOU BIGOTTED CUNT, DENYING YOU ARE CIS IS DENYING THAT TRANS PEOPLE EXIST, AND SAYING YOU WANT TO ERADICATE THEM.

I've followed Fionne on twitter for ages - as far as I can see, they're (the TAs) are denying Fionne "trans" status because Fionne refuses to say TWAW.

Fionne identifies as trans - has gender dysphoria, but refuses to insist TWAW, refuses to repeat any of the ludicrous science-denying trans-ideology. So Fionne is attacked. Pretty viciously.

Fionne, if you're still reading, solidarity to you - and please feel to correct me.

All the people calling Fionne a 'feminine man' and claiming this is mutually exclusive with 'trans woman' need to check the Stonewall transgender umbrella. Bigots!

Fionne, I once saw a clip where a stranger gave Beyonce unsolicited advice on how to lose weight - yes, some nobody gave Queen B grief about her (perfect) body. She handled it gracefully, she is the Queen after all. Queen B does Queen B, nobody does it better. Fionne does Fionne, same, move on haters.

bunch of conservative attention-seekers from the older generation want to feel special

What, like the countless middle aged men who dump their wives and children to become 'stunning and brave' for internet arse pats?

Someone mentioned how it’s interesting that Fionne is being lauded on a parenting site. Well obviously “parent” covers a huge cross section of society with every point of view and way of life represented but I would say one thing the vast majority of us have in common is wanting to help children to be able to grow psychologically, spiritually, intellectually and physically healthy - to have empathy for that process and be concerned with anyone that wishes to interfere with the natural growth process of each particular child.

The nature of parenting I think increasing empathy and tolerance but not tolerance for invading boundaries or being abusive. By extension people wishing to influence our children’s future should be healthy individuals themselves and parents have a very low tolerance for bullies.

When we see an adult like Fionne who is able to explore gender while at the time staying within the bounds of objective truth (that he is a man) parents see that as healthy. Shouting parents down for wanting our children to understand the difference between objective and subjective reality is never going to gain you fans.

Sophocles, I think you’re right.

“When trans supporters get so extremely exercised about feminists "denying their existence" or "denying their right to exist" when we disagree with them, is that because they themselves really, really want people who disagree with them to just vanish?

Does their thinking go: you disagree with me, I wish you wouldn't exist?

And they think we think the same thing?”

Lisa Muggeridge did an excellent video about narcissists, and one of her comments was that the things they accuse you of, are the things they are guilty of. So in effect, their darkest thoughts are hiding in plain sight.

I had a quick look for the video, but can’t remember which one it was. I found the link here, so someone might remember.

Kinesis, another trans person on Twitter, has launched the hashtag transrational.

that fits, emma.

There's a childishness to it too - in that ego-driven place before children really appreciate others as beings who are as important as they are.

ITA, Ida.

Indeed, Ida. If I had a GNC son I'd be a lot less worried about him if I saw him taking the path Fionne has than the path of pretending to be something that he can never be. It's more psychologically healthy and more likely to lead to a happy, stable sense of identity.

I was struck by Fionne on a twitter thread I just read. Witty and wise and so very different to those they battle.

What is the wall?

Ha I posted on this threadback in Oct about how furious Prior is with Fionne - just for existing.

I see we're just into the NY and Prior is still being furious....

Fionne's good humour and humanity shines through.

mobile.twitter.com/helresa/status/1081274192153202689

think that's it. It's got loads of deleted tweets at the top, then loads of shit chatting.
Prior seriously needs to work on that anger.

Prior is watching this thread. Says:

It feels kinda weird to have random convo's, and know mumsnet are always watching..... if you dare to chat with their select few hand selected trans pals, it's announced immediately.

PSA to mumsnet..... your confusing fury, with mocking indifference.

twitter.com/joss_prior/status/1081328373090172928?s=19

Always watching huh... bit like you then Joss?

Who is Theresa Davis? I have a twitter account which I use for absolutely nothing except keeping around 20 or so people whose tweets I'm interested in all together in 1 place.

I've never tweeted or re-tweeted anything or communicated with any of the people I follow, let alone whoever this person is.

Sorry I mean whoever Theresa Davis , she has blocked me.

December 2018 Eve Livingston article,
'How an Online Forum for Moms Became a Toxic Hotbed of Transphobia
Mumsnet boasts of its political influence and hosts chats with Hillary Clinton and UK politicians. So how has it become ground zero for British transphobia?'
(extract)
"Since 2016, Mumsnet—specifically its Feminism board—has increasingly found itself on the receiving end of criticism from trans people and their allies. “When I started using Twitter and engaging in the trans sphere in mid-2017, Mumsnet was constantly referenced both on my timeline and in DMs,” says Joss Prior, a trans woman who is part of a sizable trans community that monitors and discusses Mumsnet regularly. “The whole of the Feminism board was like a spectre hanging over the daily trans discourse.” (continues)
broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3445268-To-be-shocked-that-Mn-has-been-branded-a-hotbed-of-transphobia

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3444548-Vice-how-an-online-forum-for-moms-became-a-toxic-hotbed-of-transphobia

Who is Theresa Davis? I have a twitter account which I use for absolutely nothing except keeping around 20 or so people whose tweets I'm interested in all together in 1 place.

I've never tweeted or re-tweeted anything or communicated with any of the people I follow, let alone whoever this person is.

Sorry I mean whoever Theresa Davis , she has blocked me.

MargueritaPink Some mass 'terf' blocklist options have the option to automatically block someone based on the number of already blocked people an account follows.

There are a number of diffferent mass 'terf' blocklists being run.