What peak transed you

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I know this has probably been done to death, not sure if there is another thread somewhere, but briefly, what was it that peak transed you? I don't mean long philosophical essays, but was there something or a specific incident which suddenly made that lightbulb switch on?

Wombat welcome. Try this www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

Riley J Dennis did it for me. I didn't even know any of this went on until mumsnet directed me to Magdalen Berns.

Cunnilingusgate - Owen Jones berating lesbians for not doing lady dick. Sarah Ditum (?) retorts to him whether he would be willing to go down on a transman. LOJ throws toys out of pram and calls her disgusting and homophobic. Irony enters its death throws.

I like a lot of pp was a bit shocked when I read posts saying TWANW, it was what I had been begining to think but would have never have fared to say out loud. I thought the no platforming of GG was outrageous although I still wasn't really onboard.

Then it was Jenner and then Huntley finally sealed it for me, once you see what has been going on it's actually really frightening how little Joe public know about this.

I've been getting braver talking about it at work, my book club and even had a long discussion with DS, who's 17, gay and very woke like most people his age. I clearly knew way more about it than he did and he was a bit taken aback at my knowledge (thanks MN) and while he didn't exactly agree with me I think I gave him food for thought, which is fine as it took me a while too.

There have been tons and tons of moments.

• There was a photo in the press of a trans girl winning a race against girls. The look on the girls' faces almost made me cry. It really was a look that said, "What is the fucking point?"

• The Labour Party saying that it would be possible for all-female panels to consist of all-transwomen.

• Posie Parker's vlog where she is furious at women having to be meek and accept this shit from men.

• The way statistics lie eg how many women rape other women.

Suddenly transwomen are now "women" and we are cis-women. WTAF? It's not like we ever chose the term "women" and I know pre-this-whole-trans-BS many feminists actaully used terms such as "womon" or "wimmin" or "womyn". Herstory instead of history and such. These terms have now all been forgotten about, because transwomen now take center stage on everything, including reproductive rights. Well, done, assholes. They have found a new way to shut women up. Misogyny just keeps morphing and setting us back in a different way about once every decade.

I'm not sure tbh but possibly my first ever experience of trans was at uni when a mature student decided he wanted to be a woman. We were friends but he started creeping me out. I think the asking for condoms to fill with water and put in his bra probably did it. then there was a female patient of m

I kind of knew that Trans ideaology kind of clashed with feminism but I ignored it and pretended, like a good little Libfem.

But the Rose McGowan been berated by that awful Andi person did it for me, more specifically the aftermath where people were going out their way to support Andi and label Rose a Transphobe. I thought I must have watched a completely different video. What I saw was a complete arsehole verbally abusing a rape survivor for not “centering” Transwomen. It was batshit insane. Afterwards loads of dodgy stuff came out about this Andi person, yet their supporters didn’t want to address it.

Argh posted too soon.
Female patient of mine who flipped after being referred to as she and hid under the reception hatch wailing away like the world was ending. I was giving testosterone injections but she still needed a smear. Crazy.
Both these individuals had massive psychological issues. The guy at uni was really creepy though. It was the softly softly voice and the way he'd play with my hair. I think I thought that now he was a woman (yeah I know) that he would fancy men. I'm pretty sure he was coming on to me now i look back and that's part of the reason he was so creepy. My gut was screaming at me.

A liberal feminist group on fb were discussing Tara Hudson the MTT that was being placed in a women's prison. I said it mattered if they had had sexual reassignment surgery so they no longer had a penis and was instantly jumped on with serious aggression and accusations. I genuinely thought most feminists would agree and my opinion they would all agree but nope.
Then another one on non binary genders clinched it. Then I got banned! I wasn't even inflammatory!

Working at a shop at 16, where a 6ft bearded man in a dress with pink fingernails and hairy knuckles would talk about wanting a vagina, but insisted on being served at the till by young girls only.

I wish Dittany’s posts were still here so I could go back and re-read them. I remember that I always understood the logic of what she was saying but ishaoected that it was likely to be mainly a hypothetical problem. Fallon Fox was the first “oh fuck it’s real” moment when I realised this wasn’t a one off, or likely to be confined to one area if life. Fuck I hate being right.

Fir me it was the Brice Springsteen thing.

He refused to play North Carolina as they had a law saying you had to use your biological bathroom, as it were, when using the public loos.

Loads of people saying how amazing this was, that he was standing up to bigotry. And I thought, almost unconsciously yep, he’s totally committed to having a whole load of people taller and stronger than him, who statistically as a biological class have a higher offending rate than the biological class he belongs to, in the Same space, while he has his pants down.

Oh wait. No. He is literally NEVER going to experience this.

It isn’t his decision and should never be. Shouldn’t I get the say in who i share with?

So I want and read all the Spartacus threads I’d been diligently ignoring.

My next peak was Fallon Fox, then the NZ mountain biker who came second in a competition a mere 3 weeks after transitioning. And said the women he beat should ‘just try harder‘

Then dear Pips, our political parties and the really, really fucking blatantly obvious fact that MEN are not getting hassled with this shit. It only ever works one way.

For me it started with Caitlin (comment about clothes making all women sound vacuous & demonstrating a fundamental lack of awareness about what it REALLY means to be female. And then going on to win woman of the year - WTAF?)

Then Jennie Murray (I think) was hounded for her views on this/similar.

Then it was Lily Madigan & similar posting their naive yet malicious tweets demonstrating that they had no idea of what it was to be female & had no care for females (saying how women were disgusting for having periods, etc).

Then it was the Labour Party self-id issue - I wrote to my MP and was fobbed off. I resigned on MayDay - the Labour Party didn't give a shit & LM and cronies tweeted some pretty vile things. I named LM in my letter of resignation as a poor and dangerous spokesperson for the Labour Party but there's no sign of this changing.

Then the Green Party mess in August - I commented on the need for an investigation on a national newspaper Facebook page and was immediately jumped on and called a TERF.

And now I'm on twitter block lists for who I follow rather than what I say.

Now I think that if that's what makes me a TERF I'll have it. Wrong side of history my arse.

For me it was reading about a woman being attacked in speakers corner, in court she was reprimanded for refusing to use her attackers preferred pronouns.
In effect she was being told to lie under oath, her compensation was cut because she refused to lie under oath.
Finding Mumsnet FWR.
So many articulate women and at times so witty, well informed and willing to share their knowledge.
Datun
Lang Cleg
Arranfan
ROwantrees
Bowl of Babel fish
The Bewilderness
Angry Attack Kittens
Fermats Theorem
And many more, too many to mention
Also, strangely
Bespin
Snappity
Daim.
They made me realise how far down the rabbit hole some people are.
I don’t like rabbits, so I’m not going there and I don’t like Kool aid either

For me, the peak moments fall into
SPORT
STEM
SAFEGUARDING.

I have more respect for people that genuinely don’t think women and girls need / want / deserve space for themselves. I would wholeheartedly disagree but at least that’s honest.

How anyone can say TWAW doesn’t impact in sport, STEM or safeguarding is beyond me.

And after that when some idiots deliberately misrepresented, and continued to harass by legal process, a woman who deserves nothing but respect for a lifetime of working for a fairer society and before it was fashionable.

I didnt get it at all for a long time because I have a friend who is trans. Shes lived as female since she was 15 and just gets on with it. You wouldnt realise she was anything but a woman tbh. So I was always very upset about people insisting trans women werent women.... I just had my friend in mind... my friend who would be in more danger if she were forced to use mens facilities than anyone would ever be in any danger from her... My friend who is just trying to get on with her life....

But then I saw some of the activism online... was just astounded at some of these people.... people who were essentially completely living as men but insisting they were women... as if being a woman equates simply to a feeling or a set of dislikes or likes..

and then the issue of self ID... my friend works on a mental health crisis team and there was what everyone knew was a man, whom they had to find a bed on a female ward for because he insisted he was female.... he sexually assaulted four women on that ward

And then there was the no platforming and people insisting Germaine Greer was 'not a feminist'

Having a vagina on a flag on the womens march in America being 'transphobic'

And just the realisation that because 'woman' is also a word of oppression used to oppress people with female reproductive systems... trying to change its definition would only lead to making people unable to discuss that oppression properly.

And finally the shocking statistics about how many young girls were saying they werent women.... something like a 1000% increase since 2007 is it?
Why is that? Is it because its hard to really be a woman (in the sense you are a woman because you have a female reproductive system) You get fucked over in so many ways but no one really acknowledges it... so much so that it sort of makes me think that the only people who would want to claim the 'identity' of woman would be people with the benefit of male genitals!!!

Its all very confusing and I dont dare speak about it in real life... I know so many young left wing people who are furious at the merest suggestion of dissent.... The mildest thing will be set upon... You should have seen the reaction I got when I dared to suggest that Germaine Greers contribution to the status of women meant that she certainly was a feminist regardless of her views about trans women... well you would have thought id come out as a nazi or something!!!

And of course I dont want to hurt my friend or any other transwomen just trying to live how they want to live.

Transwomen winning in sport made me uneasy. All the talk of male / female brains in the wrong body made me uneasy. The constant link up of trans and sexist stereotypes made me uneasy. But it was the talk of 'cotton ceilings' that really blew it for me.

For me it was when the transwoman shrieked 'I've been followed home!' at Rose McGowan in Barnes and Noble. Shouting about the terrible treatment of transwomen.

Really made me just think - that's what happens to WOMEN, all the time. WTF did you think it was going to be like?

It's hard for me. I'm liberal. I want to live and let live. But don't grow up with male privilege and say you understand what it's like to be female.

No platforming of GG. I have always been firm in my belief that trans women are not women but I hadn’t really formed it into a actual thought process. Then I watched a video of GG put everything I vaguely thought into actual words. I realised that I wasn’t the only one. I lurk on FWR, this must be my first post.

When Lesley Page, President of the Royal College of Midwives, was targeted by TRAs for saying this -

She believes firmly in “woman-centred care” and so refused a recent request, when lecturing in Canada, to change her slides to be gender-neutral. (The British Medical Association recently suggested the NHS should talk about “pregnant people” in deference to transgender patients.) “I’m strongly feminist and I think childbirth has been off the feminist agenda for too long,” she says. “I know there are transgender people and we need to be sensitive to their needs, but I don’t think we can change our language around woman-centred care.”

Article for reference: www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2017/03/there-so-much-fear-moment-meet-midwife-who-wants-change-how-we-give-birth#amp

Oh yes, and GG.

Watching guys winning medals in women’s races at all sorts of international levels and seeing the utter dismay on the women’s faces