What peak transed you

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I know this has probably been done to death, not sure if there is another thread somewhere, but briefly, what was it that peak transed you? I don't mean long philosophical essays, but was there something or a specific incident which suddenly made that lightbulb switch on?

Danielle Muscato.

Gawd yes, that TW tantruming at Rose McGowan at the book event should peak anyone.

This is a long watch - but just watching the first 5 or 10 minutes gets the point I'm trying make across.

This is the infamous debate where Jane Fae sits knitting, and huffing.

Julie Bindel & Milo talk about being no-platformed & free speech.

The thing to watch (apart from Fae's knitting ) is the interactions between Milo & Bindel.

They are arch enemies - I don't think they agree on anything, they are opposite sides of the spectrum. They possibly both disagree with TWAW

• but this debate was really about feminism - and the debate is whether feminism is stifling free speech. (It's not about trans rights).

Milo and Bindel actually manage to have a laugh together - they discuss stuff that they do not agree on. This is becoming a lost art in these days of no-platforming nonsense and hurt feelz.

Jane Fae barely engages.

It's worth a watch - if only for the opening speeches.

Here's a video of the Rose McGowan thing for those who haven't seen it yet.

A peak of peaks indeed.

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A tweet that said ‘some women have penises; get over it’
No I won’t thanks.

Looking for articles about childbirth and a lot of the problems women face when giving birth (procedures done without consent, assault, lack of voice and autonomy, disrespectful treatment and so on) and every single ‘everyday feminism’ article that included anything about childbirth/maternity care was just about ‘harmful’ language to trans patients (eg saying ‘women’ to refer to pregnant patients) and how to make care more inclusive trans people. Absolutely nothing about the important feminist issues that go on everyday.

Also Riley J Dennis videos, particularly the ‘genital preferences are transphobic’

Luglio

Oh yeah and Danielle moscato of course

When one of them tweeted complaining how bad his 'period' was. Supposedly men can have menstrual cramps if they delude hard enough.

This video www.facebook.com/womansplaceuk/videos/footage-of-picket-line-attack/575443279476529/

I was shocked, and bewildered. What did solidarity with trans people have to do with a union picket line? Why were they so angry? They looked and sounded like middle class students, but behaved like a lynch mob. The way they were egging each other on was terrifying.

Searching for background information I read about the attack on Maria at Speaker's Corner, and came across the word TERF. When I googled that it took me to terfisaslur.com

The more I found out the more horrified I became. The harmless transsexuals I used to know and feel solidarity with were being scorned and shunned as truscum, and women airing concerns were threatened and persecuted relentlessly.

I'd been very ill for years, and not keeping up with outside events, but how could things been allowed to go so far, without intervention from authorities? How could Jeremy Corbyn be allowing it to happen in the Labour party, knowing what was going on and yet making the concious decision to turn his back on women and girls?

Just like in the early church and in every revolution, women are welcome to spend their resources, do the grunt work, and risk their lives on the barricades, die ingloriously for the cause, but once the battle is won the men always divide up the power between them, and we can all fuck off back to the kitchen. Why bother with demanding cunty women who insist on making changes, when transwomen are so much more reasonable and easier to get along with?

Thank goodness for the sanity of mumsnet women, and the bravery of the women who have been fighting this hideous war for so many long and hopeless years.

I'm heartened by the resurgence of real feminism, after the wilderness decades, it warms the cockles of my heart to see increasing numbers of women waking up and joining the fight. Like me, ordinary people have no idea what has been going on, or what the risks are, but once all the facts are known it's like gravity, the penny always drops in the same direction.

The anti-woman activists deciding to target children is horrendous, but it galvanises the women who would never dream of making a fuss on their own behalf in a way that nothing else could.

Used to consider myself a huge trans supporter and anti-terf. Then one day I read a post on tumblr that said if you didn't sleep with a trans person because of their genitals you were transphobic and you were fetishizing genitals(...what?). I was shocked because it was the first time I'd heard anything like that. I'd considered myself a part of the queer community for years as a lesbian. Then when I'd ended up questioning it I got attacked by people who are thought were good, sane people beforehand. This all led to asking myself more questions about how woman and man could actually mean anything, while also feeling that my questioning made me a bad person that was adding to the deaths of trans women. I didn't even want to be a lesbian at one point because I thought I was a bad one for not being attracted to TW. Eventually I started reading "terf" content and realized I had been lied to about them...since they were literally the only people left making actual sense. Since that time about 2 and a half years ago I feel like I continue to have peak trans moments everyday.

wow just had to look up 'truscum'... wtaf?!

The extreme gender stereotyping.

The way the trans men I know continue to behave like womenie fairly nice to be around, by and largeand the trans women I know continue to behave like men, expecting everything to always all be about them. If gender is a social construct only then stop fucking behaving like men eh??

The Facebook post that said "If trans women aren't front and center of your social justice efforts you're doing it wrong"

The Facebook post which simultaneously said that nobody should ever ask what's in a trans person's pants and berated non-trans people for not being terribly keen to date trans people--well pardon me for having sexual preferences, apparently that makes me a bigot now

Tara Hudson, I was still naively believing TW meant someone who had surgical reassignment because of gender dysphoria. Read the interviews and the way Tara described their breasts made me feel like id been tricked into listening to a man describing a sexual fantasy. I knew nothing of AGP then so it confused me and took a while to put it into words. Realising how violent and unlike the average woman in prison was scared me for the women they would be put in with.

Many more peaks after that.

ToeToToe that interview, I've never seen Jane Fae before and I have no words. The huffing and puffing and shuffling papers is desperately attention seeking. The knitting is just bizarre

Basically *Datun.
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I was sent here from the comments on a (probably guardian) article about how full of horrible TERFS mumsnet was.

10 minutes** of reading through and I came across a brilliant datun post which laid it all out as only she can. Spent an evening reading the Spartacus threads and it turns out I was horrible too.

Jenner, esp when getting Woman of the Year. I knew something was going seriously wrong then.

Wish I'd been able to look deeper back then but was ill.

Coming across a transwidow thread late at night in Active, and being shocked at the impact on families.

I've posted about this on here before. A friend's husband transitioned, and they are now a lesbian couple. Fine. Very happy for them. BUT he is a GP. And is now listed on his surgery's website as a female doctor. So women will make an appointment to see a woman doctor and will find themselves in front of a man in a dress. (Who is an excellent, empathic, caring doctor, by the way, but just not a female doctor).
Pondering this made me go down the rabbit of 'well, what IS a woman?'

When they started fucking about with language and attempted to require me to lie. Thin end of the wedge.

For me I think it really built up gradually. I wouldn't say I ever believed "TWAW", but probably would have said it was a kind thing to "act as if" for the (then) small number of transsexuals who generally did actually have dysphoria etc.

But then with the push to widen the umbrella, and increase the access to women's spaces, I started to see more and more the nature of the people pushing hardest for the changes - it was the activists themselves, their aggressive, sexualised and predatory behaviour, "no debate", threats and eventually actual violence that really made me see that the new TA movement was quite different to the old-style transsexuals most people were familiar with, and that the people pushing this hardest were the LAST people I'd ever want in female spaces!

Two other milestones I remember were firstly, when Juno Dawson started writing in Glamour. The fact that they were inviting this person to write all this guff - in a magazine for girls and young women - about how women were just meanies if they didn't want penises in their spaces, and transwomen just wanted to do a "little wee or poo" in peace - while blithely ignoring genuine concerns, gave me a big nudge in the instant-lawn direction.

The other one that sticks in my head, although it was much more recent and after I'd already "peaked" several times, was after I had read some things on here about BDSM, and how even in the fetish community, it was considered very out of order to drag uninvolved people into your fetish. Soon after, I was shopping in town and saw a little scene between a (very obvious) transwoman and a saleswoman in the perfume department which looked like such an obvious example of exactly that - I won't go into detail cos might get myself banned, suffice to say that the TW was VERY obviously male and their clothing seemed if anything chosen to highlight rather than hide the fact (despite the wig and makeup), and that they seemed to be getting great kicks from forcing the poor saleswoman to pretend along or get into trouble. So again this just seemed to highlight the wrongness of the whole ideology and of forcing women to pretend we don't see what we see.

It sort of bothers me that I can't remember the definitive crystallizing moment that brought me here. I think the basis of my peak was the suppression of debate any time the subject came up.

This "peak trans" moment sticks out: sex columnist Dan Savage's advice to a young lesbian doing online dating who complained about transwomen contacting her, and how she just wasn't interested. He said it was wrong of her to put "no transwomen" in her dating profile and to be a good ally she needed to put up with awkward dates with men she had no interest in. Reading that, I kind of doubted that there were many gay men, including Mr. Savage, who would spend their precious time dating women just so they wouldn't hurt their feelings.

What really did it for me was reading FWR on here and realising that, being a woman was being reduced, and being defined by THE WORST gender stereotypes possible. Oh you like dresses and pink and glitter and unicorns? Oh yes you ARE a woman. People think they are being so modern and woke, but they are just peddling the most old fashioned, outdated ideas going.

This is one of the biggest things for me. It really seems we have regressed into narrower gender stereotyping, and I do worry that some children are being encouraged to think that if they aren't a certain type of girl or boy, then maybe they are in the wrong body. Almost all children at some stage as they develop feel uncomfortable and unsure in their body and who they are, and this is now being pushed as an answer to that. I'm not saying that for some it isn't genuine, but I have concerns that this also affects young people who are just vulnerable and a bit different.

Paris Lees on Celebrity Island complaining that "she has less testosterone than the girls" - her words, making herself out to be different when it's convenient - India on CBB walking around with her tits out in a way that would have got a woman (sorry Cis woman) slut-shamed - and the misogynistic shouting down of women that frankly is just so familiarly male..

The physical attack on Maria Mac last year, closely followed by the appointment of a teenage boy in a Women's Officer post by Rochester CLP.

Plus the 2 year battle with my DD's school about unacceptable levels of sexual harassment and assault that she and her friends were experiencing. Described by school as 'normal teen curiosity and development'.