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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What peak transed you

309 replies

Politelygiveszerofucks · 29/09/2018 18:57

I know this has probably been done to death, not sure if there is another thread somewhere, but briefly, what was it that peak transed you? I don't mean long philosophical essays, but was there something or a specific incident which suddenly made that lightbulb switch on?

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OhHolyJesus · 30/09/2018 20:34

Ditto @Starlings27

Mumsnet showed me the way and whilst I'm supportive of genuine dysmorphia I don't want self ID and I want to protect safe spaces for women and children.

Lots of threads here 'peaked' me but the #nodebate stuff really cemented it. It makes me furious and I'm sad that there are always a few (trans activists ) that ruin it for the majority of peacefully living trans people who simple want to go about their business. I'm not sure these people really want to be associated with all the venom they spit.

SpartacusAutisticusAHF · 30/09/2018 20:35

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Budgieinaberet · 30/09/2018 20:38

For me it started with Germaine Greer was being no-platformed.
Then Caitlin - the most difficult thing about being a woman is deciding what 👗 to wear.
Followed by Lily Madigan.
Adrian Harrop also deserves a mention for his stunning performance on Sky news

AngryAttackKittens · 30/09/2018 20:43

Wouldn't it be lovely to have a life where deciding what to wear was your biggest challenge?

NauticalDisaster · 30/09/2018 20:50

4 years ago, this article in The New Yorker:
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/04/woman-2

RepealtheGRA · 30/09/2018 20:50

Aw thanks BlushFlowers

Budgieinaberet · 30/09/2018 20:55

Yes Angry it would be lovely.
Can you imagine how dull I must have been. Trying to decide wether to pay the gas bill or the rent ?

RepealtheGRA · 30/09/2018 21:15

Just read that NauticalDisaster Fuck. This shit has been going on for longer than I’ve been alive. I should’ve woken up years ago Sad

AngryAttackKittens · 30/09/2018 21:20

Food or gas bill versus red dress or green skirt and silky black top?

Must be nice. How the other half lives, etc.

Budgieinaberet · 30/09/2018 21:25

And obvs I can't be a proper woman as I don't even do heels and a 👗

AngryAttackKittens · 30/09/2018 21:28

I'm wearing leggings and sheepskin lined boots right now, but also wearing a bra. Bi-gender? Agender?

Or, you know, just "average woman on her day off".

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 30/09/2018 21:28

Thanks for that link NauticalDisaster.

Says the transwoman to women, “. But, as it is, “I am going to have to say, It’s your place to stay out of spaces where transgender male-to-female people go. It’s not our job to avoid you.”

Budgieinaberet · 30/09/2018 21:31

I am wearing leggings and a t-shirt.
The joys of being menopausal means I don't have to worry about putting a jumper on, let alone the heating Grin

daughterofanarchy · 30/09/2018 21:34

The Caitlin Jenner thing peaktransed me.
Yesterday I managed to peak trans my brother in law with the girl guides and Ocado/primesight shenanigans.

Iliketeaagain · 30/09/2018 21:50

I tend to lurk on the feminism boards as I don't know what to say / don't feel clever enough.

But, I've always been a feminist and with 2 dd's, it makes me furious that they may lose rights as a result of trans activism.

I think there are a few things that make me "peak"

1 - as an HCP, the very idea that biology is immaterial. Even if you self ID as a different gender from the sex you were born with, the biology can not be ignored - as a man, you still are at risk of male cancers; as a woman, still at risk of female cancers etc whether you like it or not. Also, while the NHS is all about "recognising the gender someone identifies as", male and females still need different care e.g if you need a catheter, I need to know your biology in order to give you safe care. Also, putting trans women with a fully functioning penis in a ward with vulnerable women (because in hospital, you are vulnerable whether you feel it or not) is utter madness.

  1. The issue in Canada where the trans woman is suing a beautician because she refused to wax his balls - clearly completely ignorant of the fact that it's different training / safety - just because you believe that you should be treated as a woman getting a bikini wax does not mean that someone can do it safely.
  1. The sports issue - seeing those girls lose to boys who had recently self IDd as female, plus the entire unfairness of the mountain biker in NZ who had competed in the male race, and then the female race a few weeks later. Again, biology doesn't change.
  1. The man who cross dresses a couple of times a week at work and won a "women in business" top 100 space - all the women in business who are kicking ass and whoever wrote the list really couldn't think of someone else?!

I'm all for live and let live - and I think also what stands out for me is that the trans activists who are making a lot of noise are men who have self IDd and had no effort to transition / no plans to have gender reassignment surgery / wish to still have a fully functioning penis. I don't see the trans women who are living as women peacefully and respectfully, shouting from the roof tops about their rights, only men demanding that they should be able to access female only spaces and demand that lesbians are transphobic for not being interested because they have a penis!

ChattyLion · 30/09/2018 21:53

The saying TWAW. No, TWAW are TWAW. That’s fine and that’s enough. WAW!

Sharing our unadapted, non-floor-to-ceiling, gappy-cubicle-doored ordinary old Women’s toilets and shower provision at my workplace, with male bodied colleagues who identify as women.

The way I felt/still feel unable to challenge HR about this even though I know from this FWR board they are breaking the law. The way we weren’t told or consulted about this happening. Discovering that nobody can legally ask for a GRC so self ID is already here. Being outraged.

The way I feel scared for my job if I were to say anything about it. So I say nothing.

The way the senior blokes in the workplace look so smug and woke carefully always saying ‘she’ and ‘her’ about those Male-bodied colleagues. Loving how woke they all are, when this wokeness affects their lives not even one tiny bit.

When it denies me and my female colleagues dignity, privacy and ( for me anyway) a feeling of safety in the women’s toilets. I suspect AGP.

Realising that the women in this workplace have zero power. It’s humiliating and embittering and without FWR I would have been at a loss of how to process it emotionally or politically. Now I see it for what it is.

hipsterfun · 30/09/2018 22:26

without FWR I would have been at a loss of how to process it emotionally or politically. Now I see it for what it is.

This. All day long.

AngryAttackKittens · 30/09/2018 22:30

Getting comments deleted for making jokes has been a pretty effective method of peak transing women too...

(If you see me disappear, that's why.)

RepealtheGRA · 30/09/2018 22:33

My comments get deleted for my thoughts on what constitutes child abuse, misogyny and homophobia.

AngryAttackKittens · 30/09/2018 22:36

Mine was for saying that not being able to laugh at people saying absurd things is positively un-British.

Enter the humor free zone, where if you don't believe gender is serious business you're a wicked witch (that's my Halloween costume sorted then).

ContentiousOne · 30/09/2018 22:44

'Chestfeeding', the denial of the material reality of sex (ie being told to believe that my transmasc daughter had always been male, even just after she was born and I saw she had a vulva and knew she was female!), and the inability of trans advocates to answer any questions at an appropriate level of complexity.

ContentiousOne · 30/09/2018 22:45

Chest feeding really pisses me off. Mothers are erased everywhere, and now genderism wants to take the words we use to name our mothering experiences? Fuck off. I really hate the mangling of language. It bother me a lot.

Budgieinaberet · 30/09/2018 23:05

Funny that some of these middle aged men want to appropriate stuff - but not my menopause, just their imaginary version of my puberty.

And puberty for girls is fucking shit

AngryAttackKittens · 30/09/2018 23:06

Whenever I read "second puberty" I'm just going, shit, isn't one bad enough?

AngelsAckiz · 30/09/2018 23:19

Being told it was women and cis women
That women have penises and that I can expect to see them in changing rooms and toilets
That male bodied people with male skeletons, male muscle and fat distribution, and lung capacity, hands and feet size were competing in womens sports.
That the word "woman" doesn't appear in literature about women, womens bodies and even on clothing retail websites, but the word men is still used everywhere.
That women are told not to debate, ask questions or assert boundaries at all, and doing so is a crime the same as literal violence.
That I was banned from Facebook for a week for saying I didn't think male rapists should be housed in the female estate.
Riley J Dennis saying that my sexual preferences are transphobic.
That the red tent banned me from attending their events because I said that I would feel triggered by male people being there, as a rape survivor I need male free spaces to heal.
When women say that no man would put on a dress in order to access vulnerable women in order to rape them.

That's just the few that come to mind.