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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Posie on This Morning

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RepealtheGRA · 27/09/2018 12:32

Posie Parker will be on This Morning tomorrow.

Not sure which TRA/AWA will be provided for her to chew up and spit out though.

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Trousered · 27/09/2018 15:01

That's an awful case.

Elephantinacravat · 27/09/2018 15:04

Is it the Naomi Hersi murder PL is referring to?

The tweet below the one I'm talking about was about Naomi Hersi, so I assume so. I think the trial is happening at the moment.

MotherForkinShirtBalls · 27/09/2018 15:06

How exciting... We're getting proper telly installed today so I'll be able ti watch it live!

kenandbarbie · 27/09/2018 15:07

Who's munroe?

Viago · 27/09/2018 15:09

As R0wan said, there will be reporting restrictions as the trial is happening now so, as ever, PL is making an irrevelant point.

NoSquirrels · 27/09/2018 15:15

Huh. Bit disingenuous of PL then, wasn’t it? That case is 6 months old (so not “meanwhile” to the poster which has just happened). It’s an appalling case, but I’m not sure what PL would have been able to comment on about that anyway? The murder of a sex worker proves sex work is unsafe, and men who use sex workers can be violent. It’s not necessarily a trans issue, it’s a sex worker issue.

Which feminists should understand.

FloralBunting · 27/09/2018 15:15

I'm going to guess they will have India W on. India is a semi regular on This Morning for one thing and another, and as a media bod transperson would be the most obvious counterpoint.

TonnoEMaionese · 27/09/2018 15:18

Why is PL doing shout outs to women’s aid? What have they capitulated on?

Nah - it's the standard piggy backing tactics so they don't look like they're completely self-involved and only interested in helping transwomen - you have to add in an oppressed group to garner the actual empathy that they then co-opt eg. LGBQT, Trans and immigrants, trans and intersex etc.

so it couldn't just be mermaids, Paris has to add in a worthy charity so that if you speak against it, you're also against women's aid.

RepealtheGRA · 27/09/2018 15:20

TonnoEMaionese

That makes sense.

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RepealtheGRA · 27/09/2018 15:21

Oooh interesting floral Didn’t IW have a bit of a peaktrans over pips?

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deepwatersolo · 27/09/2018 15:29

The Naomi Hersi case is, indeed, tragic. And I am all for some TV station inviting PL to discuss this case in the greater context of male violence and the phenomenon that, still, for TRAs it is always adult human females, who are at fault and responsible for male violence of any sort or form. Even when some TRA beats up a woman, it is women's fault.

Definitely a worthwhile topic that could us help understand TRAs better.

HandsOffMyRights · 27/09/2018 15:32

Brilliant! Will they bring on Susie Green? Last time I felt Ruth was sympathetic towards MB but Aaemon is definitely GC

JessicaJonesJacket · 27/09/2018 15:33

IW has always had an hierarchy about TWs who have had surgery, hormones, GRC, etc and those who opt in and out like Pip. I'm not sure IW would challenge Posie . . . maybe they'll rope in Susie Green again.

JessicaJonesJacket · 27/09/2018 15:33

Oops cross-post Hands Grin

HandsOffMyRights · 27/09/2018 15:42

Great minds Jessica

Susie must know that Posie would have to challenge her on taking her son abroad at 16 for an operation (apologies for not being blunter but am seeing censorship of 'cas**ation' now.

PicnicPie · 27/09/2018 15:43

Yes! Working from home tomorrow so I'll be tuning in.

FloralBunting · 27/09/2018 15:44

See, I don't think they'll have SG, I would imagine she's more keen to focus on the transing of kids and the GG stuff. If they've got Posie on it will be about the billboard, and while GGs might come up as a related issue, the billboard would more obviously be opposed by an adult transitioner. PL wouldn't do it for the reasons already mentioned, but IW is much more up for a head to head (and not shy about being much more sympathetic to poor blokes than women, and the producers will have good controversial telly in mind).

I should think Posie will also therefore get a vicious dressing down article on Digital Spy, too, as they often run articles based on LGBT content on GMB and This Morning.

BettyDuMonde · 27/09/2018 15:46

I don’t think a tv show would be able to have talking heads commentary on an ongoing court case anyway?

Wouldn’t it have to wait until the trial is completely over?

R0wantrees · 27/09/2018 15:47

I'm going to guess they will have India W on. India is a semi regular on This Morning for one thing and another, and as a media bod transperson would be the most obvious counterpoint

India Willoughby Pink News Opinion piece April 24th 2018 after interview with Julia H-B & Justine Roberts about MN atanding up against TRAs to allow free and civil speech:
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"We’re heading for a modern day Stonewall riot – unless the government and media clamp down on what has become rampant transphobia.

Transgender people are being bullied and hounded like never before – and we need to be very careful about where all this unfettered hate dressed up as “free speech” is going.

The Sunday Times, Daily Mail and – wait for it – Mumsnet – are hounding trans women in the same way Hitler went about stigmatising Jewish people."

"Even trans kids are seen as fair game. Radio hosts warning of assaults and unwanted pregnancies because trans girls have been allowed into the Girl Guides.

What’s the problem? Girls have been in the Scouts since 1991 and the world is still spinning."

And now we have groups of hardliners who will never accept trans women on any level, travelling the country, fanning the flames of hate."

I totally get why many women might have concerns about this, given there have been so many ridiculous over-the-top debates where the scenario of sex-offender in a dress is trotted out.

It just doesn’t bear up to scrutiny though. Honestly. Self-identification in no way incentivises someone to commit a sex offence. It doesn’t make it easier or more likely.

Waving a piece of paper or shouting “I’m a woman” is not going to buy any leniency from the police or courts.

I admit – I wasn’t convinced about self ID myself to begin with, but the evidence from around the world is irrefutable. I was categorically wrong, and fell for the hysteria.

Women’s areas will not become dangerous places when the Gender Recognition Act is passed.

I defy anyone to visit Mumsnet right now, look up transgender, and tell me that the vicious and mocking threads about trans people would be allowed about any other demographic. It’s the stuff of pitchforks and lanterns. The same rhetoric about race, religion on sexuality would lead to prosecutions and official condemnation.

Mumsnet CEO Justine Roberts squeals that trans people highlighting the content – including threads which out trans people – to some of the site’s main advertisers is out of order. She describes it as an attack on free speech. This might be a shock to Justine, but trans people have free speech, too.

There’s even a debate about introducing a new trans Section 28, clamping down on educating the public about what transgender is.

Justine is adamant there’s nothing transphobic on Mumsnet. Only reasoned debate. She wants transgender visitors to Mumsnet to be “happy and supported.” It feels reminiscent of when Cruella de Vil opens a home for stray dogs in 101 Dalmatians."

Mumsnet’s reputation for transphobia is fully deserved. Hardliners openly strategise ways to make life tougher for trans people: Passengers warned not to travel on sleeper trains because they might end up in the same sleeping berth as a woman who’s trans. Support gathered to stop trans women being allowed on Labour’s all-women shortlists. National meeting organised where they can clap and cheer their hatred.

It’s all very similar to the way the National Front used to operate.

I’m sure most people who use the site are decent folk. They want nothing to do with the rabid mouth-frothing going on by so-called “feminists.”

Last week was my first ever visit to Mumsnet. Honestly, I thought it was going to be lots of stuff about prams, or family-related matters. A sort of online This Morning minus Phil and Holly. The reality is more like a Nuremberg Rally. It’s very scary."

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/04/24/india-willoughby-transphobia-opinion-worried-for-my-life-mumsnet/

slug · 27/09/2018 15:55

A modern Stonewall riot?? To do that they would need
A) A lesbian to start it
B) To get out of bed before dusk. There were noticeably no supporters for Guilana at court yesterday, presumably because the case was done and dusted before midday

WrongOnTInternet · 27/09/2018 15:57

Complete aside: the knitting seriously pisses me off. How dare they take a bloody useful craft, a craft without which we wouldn't have our lovely thick woollen winter jumpers (aran, shetland etc), a craft which has always been seriously devalued because women do it, and turn it into a virtue signal for TRA?

Charliethefeminist · 27/09/2018 16:05

Just to note, again: when a trans'woman' commits a crime, including violent crime, the BBC calls them women. When a trans'woman', is a crime victim, the BBC highlights their trans status. Judy in case anyone thinks the BBC has found any integrity down the back of the sofa.

DickTERFin · 27/09/2018 16:08

It could be a blood bath if IW is on with Posie. IW will unrelentingly try to talk over Posie and Posie will go Game of Thones on IW ass. That is my prediction.

hackmum · 27/09/2018 16:08

There were noticeably no supporters for Guiliana at court yesterday, presumably because the case was done and dusted before midday

Someone linked to a report yesterday (was it the Mail?) that quoted a transactivist as saying they stayed away because they didn't feel safe.

Who knew that a bunch of middle-aged women could be so scary?

Kyanite · 27/09/2018 16:10

A Nuremberg Rally? Closer to the Nuremberg Trials.

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