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Trans people are NOT a threat in same sex spaces

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DonnaBe · 24/09/2018 11:18

So says a study done in Massachusetts and reported in the Boston Globe.

“Study finds no link between transgender rights law and bathroom crimes”

www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/09/11/study-finds-link-between-transgender-rights-law-and-bathroom-crimes/1YWqSptLXOSiobmbH0RBMM/story.html

Maybe we can all take up hobbies now instead of hating on trans people and doctors ?

How about soup making?

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ArtemisWeatherwax · 24/09/2018 11:45

It's a head splitting argument isn't it.

Transwomen should use female changing rooms because they are women. Even though 80% of them have a penis and either way will retain their biological male tendency for violence. They don't even need to be wearing a pretty pink dress and fishnets, they just need to declare that they are a woman.

Female changing rooms are safer for women than unisex changing rooms. Which have men in. Who are doing the attacking of women in unisex changing rooms.

Except now female changing rooms also have men in them so are now also unisex.

So. Where are women safe?

Molokonono · 24/09/2018 11:45

Why don't women's safety, concerns and rights not matter to you? Why do you think your concerns are much more important?

If trans women were women, then why are they not concerned about women?

It is really quite the conundrum.

NoodleEatingPoodle · 24/09/2018 11:46

I wonder why the special mention for the poor doctors being 'hated on' by feminists who know what a woman is... Is your real name Adrian by any chance, OP?

theOtherPamAyres · 24/09/2018 11:47

The threat comes from the disappearance of boundaries.

The threat comes from a government that sees nothing wrong with making decisions, policies and laws that tear down boundaries.

The threat is from a faceless, silent force behind social policies that are destablising and frightening.

Not trans people.

VickyEadie · 24/09/2018 11:49

Can I just ask you a question, OP? Would you be prepared to walk up to one (or all) of the four women sexually assaulted in a women's prison recently by convicted rapist (i.e. person still in possession of a penis) Karen White, and say to their faces "trans people are NOT a threat in women's spaces"?

Indeed. Or all those women who have been sexually assaulted in unisex changing rooms referred to in that Time article linked earlier.

JessicaJonesJacket · 24/09/2018 11:52

I was wondering what doctors 'we' were hating on and then I realised who would make a statement like that. . .

Luckily I can make soup and campaign about women's rights and complain about people breaching professional guidelines. My DH can do all those things too yet has never been on MN. It's a mistake to think it's only MNers who are concerned and campaigning on these issues.

Noqont · 24/09/2018 11:52

No lots of transwomen aren't a problem. Predatory men are a problem. Don't tell me they're not, because my lived experience as a biological woman tells me that they are. Predetory men can also present as/ identify as transwomen. And there's a lot of those men out there. Who will (and are) taking advantage of the situation. Thus, for the safety of women we don't want to share women's spaces where we are vulnerable with people who have penises. That's why we say no. But you know this, as you've been on Mumsnet long enough. But you don't really care that much. You just want us to validate you as a woman and youre not interested in our safety or how we, as biological women feel. So take your soup and stuff it where the sun don't shine.

Melanippe · 24/09/2018 11:54

Yeah yeah, we get it. Women and girls are not allowed to have any boundaries or safe places unless those women and girls have penises and therefore, well, you know

That male socialisation, patriarchy and rape culture cocktail is such a heady mix for these trans women.

PositivelyPERF · 24/09/2018 11:54

If trans people want a third space I’m very happy to support that and even donate to that fight. I want trans people to feel safe in their space, in the knowledge that their presence is welcome. Every one wants to feel safe. I’m sure transwomen and transmen would be very happy to share the same space, as they would be of no risk to each other? Right?

In the meantime those females with very good reasons to want to retain female only sex spaces will continue to support trans people in their own trans safe place.

FermatsTheorem · 24/09/2018 11:55

Oh... lightbulb moment.

DonnaBe - anonymous name on internet.

Fake Musilimah sock puppet account. (And a very crude sockie it was too, because its originator got caught pdq.)

Are we thinking these might be anonymous avatars of one and the same person here? Ha ha, that would just be too funny.

Hello Ade! (waves)

Melanippe · 24/09/2018 11:56

And again... trans women are not a problem. Men, who have historically gone to enormous lengths to access their victims of choice including years of study and religious vows, suddenly being able to access women's safe spaces without let or hindrance are the problem.

AncientLights · 24/09/2018 11:58

DonnaBe you knew you were going to be shot down, didn't you? You must have heard time and time again here that it isn't TW we are concerned about but the many men who will take advantage of this. We know they will because pretty much all of us have had shit from men at one time in our lives. Or many times for some of us. Please ask yourself why males and females have traditionally/historically been separated by most societies for activities where they will be naked/semi-naked/vulnerable. Clue: it's not because women present a danger to men. The danger some men pose to women has long been recognised and it's only now, in this batshit society we are entering, that this is being disregarded, thereby putting women and girls at even greater risk.

I speak for myself here, I have no religious affiliation but a long history of being pestered/harassed/assaulted by men. If I walk into a women's toilet and find a man/men in there, I will not enter. I will never go there again so shops etc. will lose my custom. If I find a post-puberty male body in a gym/swimming pool changing room for women, I will never go there again. I am unable to sleep in the same room as a man, so if I end up in some refuge, prison or wherever and am expected to sleep near a man I will not be able to.

Why are my concerns less than a man's?

FloralBunting · 24/09/2018 11:58

Nah, Donna isn't Ade. I think Ade has paid us a visit or two, but I think Donna is a completely different AWA.

birdbandit · 24/09/2018 11:58

Come and chat to us on the Trans Widows board, and tell us we're imagining the threat because our ex's and current partners tell you so.

Tell us how your imagination of what's been going on in our marriages, is more valid than our experiences.

We don't need sexist soup making jokes, we've all handled and defeated much bigger dishes already.

Melanippe · 24/09/2018 11:59

Ohhhhh, you think this is Baron Hardup in drag? Interesting.

littlbrowndog · 24/09/2018 12:01

So why do the UNESCO recommend sex segrated toilets ?
is it because girls and women might not be safe ?
Or another reason Donna ?

VickyEadie · 24/09/2018 12:01

And again... trans women are not a problem.

In the way that 'most' men are not a problem, I'd agree; however, transwomen replicate at least male patterns of violence, as evidenced by some of the ones who have been in prison and - especially - have insisted on being moved into the female estate. Moreover, even though 'most' men are 'not a problem', I don't want them in my safe spaces, especially where I might be naked and vulnerable.

We need to clarify that we do see the issue of transwomen (even the ones we might be 100% certain aren't going to hurt us) in women's safe spaces as still an issue for a wide range of women and a wide range of reasons.

AngryAttackKittens · 24/09/2018 12:05

Back to the kitchen with you, mummies!

Meanwhile, male humans remain a threat to female humans regardless of how they choose to dress or whether or not they call themselves Susie.

Barracker · 24/09/2018 12:05

I don't give a shit if they are the fluffiest kittens in the whole wide world and all they want to do is share whatever space I'm in to be naked.

I've withheld my consent. I'm saying, no, I'm declining to be ordered to share with the opposite sex in those circumstances. And the law protects that sex based right. I don't need to prove the absobloodylutely obvious, that males in female spaces present risk.

I just need to say No.

So.....No.

So that's that.

BiologyMatters · 24/09/2018 12:06

At the risk of getting deleted - actually yes, transwomen are the problem. All transwomen who think they have the right to use female spaces are the problem. Even if you're not going to rape or assault someone. I'm uncomfortable around men I don't know in areas where I'm likely to be undressed. In a female space, where I am entitled to be, my feelings should trump those of the male person.

AngryAttackKittens · 24/09/2018 12:07

I find that refusal to accept a woman's "no" is an excellent indicator of whether a particular male human is likely to present a threat.

R0wantrees · 24/09/2018 12:08

From GenderGP website, Dr Helen Webberley identifies that complaints against her come from consultants

"Is it true you have been suspended?
My LHB (local health board) have been advised of the large number of complaints that have been made to the GMC about me by the consultants at Charing Cross and the GIDS. They have temporarily suspended my ability to work as an NHS GP in Wales."

Why aren't you registered with the CQC?
As my services are currently provided from mob home in Wales, the CQC registration does not cover this area. I have been told by the CQC that my service does not need to be registered.

also,
What about registration with the Health Inspectorate Wales?
GenderGP started as a simple WordPress blog website for advice for patients and doctors. It very quickly grew as the demand rose and I have now given advice to thousands of people. I first applied for HIW registration in October 2016 but they have still not completed their registration processes.

Recently they have told me that I should no longer provide services and that they are mindful to not approve my application."

So Dr Webberley is temporarily relocating:
" I am going to transfer the hub of my service to my other residence in Malaga, Spain so that I can continue providing care while the regulatory processes are being sorted out."

gendergp.co.uk/queries/

SwearyG · 24/09/2018 12:08

“Transwomen” aren’t a problem where it comes to the safety of women and girls? Cool story bro.

This is someone who takes part in the doxxing and harassing of women on twitter. Clearly someone who struggles with the meaning of safety and boundaries so someone who’s opinion really shouldn’t be considered on this matter.

Donna pipe down. Stop telling women they can’t set boundaries. We know you’re acting in your own self interest and have no thoughts as to the safety of women. People you clearly don’t give a shit about.

UrsulaPandress · 24/09/2018 12:09

What sort of soup. I like making soup. Soup easy to make. Soup is wholesome. You cannot change sex.

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