Trans people are NOT a threat in same sex spaces

[DonnaBe]

So says a study done in Massachusetts and reported in the Boston Globe.

“Study finds no link between transgender rights law and bathroom crimes”

www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/09/11/study-finds-link-between-transgender-rights-law-and-bathroom-crimes/1YWqSptLXOSiobmbH0RBMM/story.html


Maybe we can all take up hobbies now instead of hating on trans people and doctors ?

How about soup making?

[eelbecomingforyou]

Transgender activists bristle at the idea that the campaign casts them as potential sexual offenders and have argued that there is no evidence that the law threatens anyone’s safety.

But we've always had public loos split into sexes - why??

[AngryAttackKittens]

Also, quick poll - do we think that the rather obviously goady reference to the thread about internal exams being done on unconscious female patients, with the implication being that women here are "hating on" doctors for doing that, has reached the point at which perhaps HQ might be urged to deploy the banhammer?

[LangCleg]

Males with one or more paraphilias are more likely to be sex offenders than males overall. By the way and apropos of absolutely nothing at all.

[Barracker]

I find that refusal to accept a woman's "no" is an excellent indicator of whether a particular male human is likely to present a threat.

Do you accept my 'No' Donnabe?

[AngryAttackKittens]

I love soup. Soup is not salad, nor is it ice cream. You're welcome to call your lentil soup a gelato if you like, but that's not going to make me want to pour it on a cone and eat it.

[FloralBunting]

It's worth repeating. Donna is a transperson who doesn't like women saying no. I don't care to discover if they would take that inability to listen to a firm 'no' in the first instance to any further violation of boundaries. No woman should have to bend their will to what AWAs demand.

[serbska]

If trans people want a third space I’m very happy to support that and even donate to that fight

That is LITERAL MURDER because to tell a transwoman that they aren't a 'real' women and to make them use a third space makes them go kill themselves. Apparently.

Not that there is any fucking evidence to back this claim up that transwomen kill themselves if they can't come inside women's bathrooms. Yes, its always funding predatory penis men who want to come into women's spaces isn't it?

[AngryAttackKittens]

If hearing "no" makes someone suicidal that's a mental health issue, not an indication that society should give them whatever they're demanding.

[DunkerOfSussex]

I don't want to see your penis Op. Most men aren't rapists either. Whooptydoo. but I don't want to see their dicks either. I don't care about the LadyFeelz. I got none myself so not worried about anyone elses.

[LauraMipsum]

It would be truly remarkable if the evidence suggested that actual crime increased significantly - enough to make a difference to the statistics. To get that effect, trans people in Massachusetts would have to do little else.

What the study cannot show is

• The extent to which women self-exclude from mixed toilets. Women's toilets weren't introduced to prevent assault, they were introduced because otherwise women wouldn't use them.
  

• The extent to which women feel uncomfortable, or that their privacy or dignity is at risk, when sharing a bathroom with someone they perceive as male.
  

• The extent to which particular demographics of women (religious communities / survivors of male violence in particular spring to mind) are less likely to use public facilities and therefore are self-excluding from public space.
  

"Nobody got assaulted" is a phenomenally low bar.

[LittleMissedTheSunshine]

I'm one of those people who, after a swim will happily take off my cozzie in the ladies changing room at the pool and not really give a fig if other ladies see my bits. I'm really comfortable with nudity in general.

HOWEVER I had a physio appointment recently and had to take off my top so the (male) physio could treat my back. This was my first appointment btw. I was ok with this mentally, but was surprised to find myself feeling a teensy weensy bit uncomfortable when after the treatment I put my top back on in front of him. All the time I was wearing a bra. Still I felt a little uncomfortable being right in front of an unfamiliar male wearing only a bra on my upper half. And this is a professional/medical situation.

I have absolutely nothing against trans people but I really don't want to share my getting undressed space with be-penised 'ladies' many of whom will admit to still being sexually attracted to be-vagina'd ladies. I just don't. OK? Get it?

[Ereshkigal]

Ohhhhh, you think this is Baron Hardup in drag? Interesting.

It's not. Donna is an MTF and quite a bit older than Harrop judging by photos.

[AngryAttackKittens]

It's also not so much "nobody got assaulted" (which we can't actually know) as "nobody reported an assault and managed to get the authorities to take it seriously".

[JessicaJonesJacket]

And if someone threatens suicide because a woman is saying no to them then they're usually an abuser.
One look on the relationships board on here shows how much work we still need to do on enabling women to define and assert their boundaries. I can't tell you how angry I am that TRAs are consistently trying to undermine that.

[TurfClub]

I can't be bothered to dig the link up again cos I think we had this thread already and it was deleted, but this study was commissioned to support a ballot initiative in Massachusetts. One where the 'trans-friendly' side has raised 20x as much as the others. Because trans activism is funded by billionaires & the medical industry.

Anyway, a study designed to support a point of view doesn't really tell you anything more than they have lots and lots of money to compile such 'research'. Which we already know from the public campaign filings.

[DunkerOfSussex]

Being honest I do sometimes wonder if these are gc people trolling as I struggle to believe anyone is so deluded as to think these threads will convince women to give up hard earned single sex spaces.

They peak trans women left right and centre.

[Flooffloof]

TW used to not be a problem. Now to me they are a problem.
It's a proper conundrum, which TW are ok to share a toilet/cell/changing room with?
I can't tell by looking and they won't share any details, so sadly none of them can share with me. If that means I leave, so be it.
When there are no women left in public life, maybe laws will be changed again.
Maybe not and women get no life anymore?
It's a conundrum alright.

[WomanOfTime]

My father and brother are lovely people and I have no fear whatsoever that either of them are going to harm me.

I don't want to get naked in a communal changing room in front of either of them. I also don't expect my female friend to get changed in front of them because I say that I know them and they're lovely and harmless.

Women have the right to privacy and dignity, and that means single-sex spaces. It's important whether or not the men are dangerous (and some of them are!)

[DunkerOfSussex]

Donna Be trollin?
Donna be confused.
Donna be making soup.

[NameChangedAgain18]

50% of transwomen prisoners in the UK are sex offenders. So a higher rate of sex offending than the male prison population overall. How are they no danger to women? Clue: we've already seen that they are.

[AngryAttackKittens]

Lies, damn lies, and statistics, eh?

[MagicMix]

If a person of the male sex is in a space designated for people of the female sex, that space is no longer a same sex space, is it? Sex is not the same thing as gender, as even trans activists are fond of saying, though they fail to apply this fact logically.

So the question we should be asking, which has been asked and answered on here a thousand times already, is are unisex spaces more dangerous for women and girls than single sex spaces? Yes, they are.

It is barely relevant whether an individual transwoman has or ever would harass or attack a woman in a female single sex space. Simply by entering the space that person is breaking down the boundaries that keep women safe, directly contributing to a culture that says that women do not have the right to single sex spaces. Any transwoman who had any respect for women would realise that those boundaries are really important and saying 'Oh, you can let me in, I'm no threat' may be completely true, but it nevertheless chips away at those boundaries and endangers women indirectly. You can be the nicest person in the world to women that you meet in person but if you don't respect sex segregation you are still working to erode important women's rights. It's so incredibly selfish and egotistical to think otherwise.

[AngryAttackKittens]

Don't be silly, Donna be waiting for a vagina person to make soup for Donna. Donna be complaining about the poor quality of service if nobody offers to.

[R0wantrees]

So Donna, do you think women and girls have the right to a request a female nurse doctor or a female chaperone if a male HCP performs an intimate examination?


www.ibtimes.co.uk/nhs-apologises-after-trans-nurse-facial-stubble-selected-do-cervical-smear-test-1653262

[ShimmyShimmyYa]

Not read the thread so apologies if already said, but what about women's/girls' general comfort/peace of mind?
I don't want to undress in front of someone with a penis- I'd find it inherently embarrassing
and you can tell me it's statistically safe but given that i'm not a mind reader, I would never actually feel safe.
So at best I'd feel very awkward and at worst, threatened.
Does that not matter?