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GP specialising in transgenderism in children censured

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Gingernaut · 10/09/2017 18:35

Monmouthshire GP, Helen Webberley has been been restricted by the GMC from treating transgender patients unsupervised until it has looked into reports that she treated a 12 year old and two 15 year olds contrary to NHS advice.

This. Is. A. Medical. Professional. Angry

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Xenophile · 10/09/2017 18:43

Good, she's bloody dangerous. If the GMC has any sense they'll strike her off.

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EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 10/09/2017 18:48

This is the Times article on it (pasting because paywall). I think the most encouraging bit is the comments from Dr Polly Carmichael of the Tavistock.

A doctor who has given sex-change hormones to children as young as 12 has been stopped from working in the field by the medical regulator.

Dr Helen Webberley, a GP from Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, set up a private gender clinic in her home and started treating children who said they wanted to change sex.

Cross-sex hormone treatment, which Webberley has prescribed for a number of child patients, causes permanent body changes and compromises fertility. NHS guidelines do not allow it for children.

After complaints by two NHS consultants, the General Medical Council, the doctors’ disciplinary body, has begun an investigation into Webberley and imposed an order that prevents her from treating transgender patients unsupervised.

Last night she said the restriction “stops me” but was not a finding of fault.


“It’s a temporary thing while they’re investigating,” she said and blamed the inquiry on a “mafia” of consultants.

Webberley, who charges between £75 and £150 an hour, said she catered for children who had been denied sex- change treatment on the NHS and were “screaming in agony at being stuck in a puberty that isn’t right for them”.

She said she had given cross-sex hormones to four child patients. “Giving it at 12 is a very unusual situation — but if you met that child, you would say, ‘Oh my goodness, I understand that now,’” she said.

Stephanie Davies-Arai, founder of Transgender Trend, a website for parents questioning the diagnosis and treatment of children as transgender, said Webberley was a “rogue doctor” who was giving “serious life-changing treatment” to people too young. “Children’s identities are fluid,” she said. “The medication fixes an identity in place, with girls in particular left with irreversible effects.”

Dr Polly Carmichael, of England’s only NHS gender identity clinic for children at the Tavistock Centre in north London, said: “We are talking about very young people and one of the things about young people is that their thinking changes.

“Really having consent is about the ability to fully weigh up all the options and the risks. Given the irreversibility of some of the steps, we need to be careful.”

For under-16s seeking to change sex, the NHS can prescribe “blockers” that prevent development in puberty. Carmichael said most of her clinic’s child patients did not decide to go on blockers or go on to have cross-sex hormone therapy at 16.

Webberley said: “To keep [children] pre-pubertal until they’re 16 is just killing for them, literally, because they do harm themselves.” Referrals of young people to the Tavistock Centre rose by 42% last year to more than 2,000. Of those referred, 84 were aged seven or younger, including two three-year-olds.

Transgender pressure groups have criticised NHS waiting lists and demanded an end to “arbitrary” age limits for cross-sex hormone treatment.

Webberley said she had provided medicine to 850 transgender patients, most of them adults.

Davies-Arai said the GP’s only training in the field was a one-hour online course in gender variance from the Royal College of General Practitioners designed by a transgender campaign group.

Webberley insisted she had “read everything going on gender care, met every single type of gendered person you can possibly meet and talked to different professionals from across the whole of the world to inform my practice”.

Doctor Matt, an online prescription website which is also managed by Webberley, was suspended in April for six months by the regulator, the Care Quality Commission, which said that it “did not provide safe, effective, responsive and well led services”.

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Gingernaut · 10/09/2017 18:54

They're children. Until they grow up a little, go through puberty and see a bit of the world, what do they know?

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SymbollocksInteractionism · 10/09/2017 18:55

Good news, is the tide turning?

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NYConcreteJungle · 10/09/2017 18:56

Who is more scary the GP or the parents?

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 10/09/2017 19:00

And how old does an adult woman have to before she can ask to be sterilised? I

sn't it the case it is very difficult to get this done?

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tubasinthemoonlight · 10/09/2017 19:04

Thank goodness for that. As SymbollocksInteractionism says, hopefully the tide is turning. Polly Carmichael should be listened to. Polly is definitely in favour of excercising caution with regard to treatment of young people with gender dysphoria. Mermaids have not been supportive of that stance and have in the past tried very hard to find ways around the restrictions Polly's clinics place on access to treatment.
I was concerned when I first heard of Helen Webberley's practice and hoped it would not be too long before it was closed down.

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VestalVirgin · 10/09/2017 19:12

And how old does an adult woman have to before she can ask to be sterilised?

I have read about 35 year olds who were told they might "change their mind" or "meet a man who wants children" and 38 year olds who were told that it wasn't worth the effort anymore and they should just wait until menopause, so ... the answer is probably: Always older or younger than they actually are.

The easiest way for a woman to get a sterilisation is to convince people she is actually a man.

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enoughisenough12 · 10/09/2017 19:13

Sadly it's only a temporary ban and given some the BMA's recent publications about 'transgender inclusive language for pregnancy' I wouldn't be too hopeful.
I hope that the safeguarding implications of 'chemically castrating' children might start to rise to the surface - but we need those in power to see it in this way and with the transactivists obviously having such power and influence in government, I suspect that the safety of children will come very low on their list compared to being 'transinclusive'

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QuentinSummers · 10/09/2017 19:20

She was also in the news in April for running websites that weren't registered and may not have been checking patient identities properly.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-wales-south-east-wales-39520785

This tumblr suggests she gets standing orders from her patients of £25 a month for being their doctor. Given trans people need to take hormones or detransition, it sounds like a good income for her.

ama-patients.tumblr.com

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Datun · 10/09/2017 20:06

Isn't this the docter who prescribes for people in 17 seconds by email ?

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enoughisenough12 · 10/09/2017 20:38

@Datun That's what the link above states.
It really is a disgrace that this is allowed to happen and there is such a lack of awareness about it.
I reckon if parents, teachers, social workers actually understood what these drugs do and then applied their extensive knowledge of child and adolescent development to the reality, then suddenly the scales will fall from their eyes.
Sadly the people who have dominated the debate are I presume generally born males, not parents or far removed from their children and have so successfully silenced the debate that obvious questions such as 'how can a 12 year old fully give informed consent to being 'chemically castrated '?' are never asked.
btw, is there a better phrase rather than chemically castrated?

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Lolimax · 10/09/2017 20:40

She was my GP a few years ago. She was brilliant.

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PencilsInSpace · 10/09/2017 20:40

Good.

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thecraftyfox · 10/09/2017 21:52

Very relieved she has been suspended even if it is temporary. She came to my attention last year when she was featured in this article. I was so concerned I reported her to the GMC for her self described prescribing history. I believe a number of medical professionals have reported her in the past. I hope her temporary restrictions are permenant. It takes an incredible level of arrogance/ God complex to act they way she has.

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FirstShinyRobe · 10/09/2017 21:57

I like the way she claims to have read everything related to gender care and still thinks there's not another way to try first before sterilising folk. Like, I dunno, feminism.

No money in that, though.

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PeteAndManu · 10/09/2017 22:38

Apologies if this is a stupid question. Re Times article from Empress' post. The Tavistock Clinics referral statistics included 84 children who were referred who were under 7 yo or younger including two 3 year olds. How does this arise in 3-year olds?

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Datun · 10/09/2017 23:30

PeteAndManu

If a three-year-old boy likes playing with girls' toys, puts a tea towel on his head like long hair, and says he'd like to be a girl, parents are now wondering whether he may be trans.

Instead of realising he's just a boy who likes to do things traditionally associated with girls.

Every other poster on here says their child has done exactly the same. Because children gravitate towards all toys, it's only society that genders them.

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ALittleBitOfButter · 11/09/2017 06:16

There's a comment in the Daily Mail about her, thus:

This is the woman who took part in a Reddit 'Ask Me Anything' post related to her work, during which she gave examples of children as young as 6 MONTHS, yes you read that right, looking in a mirror and displaying behaviour that suggests they are unhappy with their body and want to be the opposite sex. You could not make it up. This woman is dangerous and needs to be stopped now.

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PeteAndManu · 11/09/2017 06:38

Datum hoped it wasn't that. At that age mine were playing with any toys they fancied and working out how to use the potty. It is ad.

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EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 11/09/2017 06:44

Did yours also open the poppers on the bottoms of their vests, Pete? Because that's one of the examples Jazz Jennings cites, undoing their vests at 15 months old to make them look like dresses.

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PeteAndManu · 11/09/2017 06:53

Or they could just be working out what poppers do? We went to watch a Famous Five play in the summer and George wants to be a boy because they do more exciting things. It wouldn't be written that way now.

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greendale17 · 11/09/2017 06:54

Good

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BigGreenOlives · 11/09/2017 07:00

The scary thing is that teens read about doctors who do not follow proper procedure & think the drugs are safe.

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Natsku · 11/09/2017 07:04

She gave examples of children as young as 6 MONTHS, yes you read that right, looking in a mirror and displaying behaviour that suggests they are unhappy with their body and want to be the opposite sex

What the actual fuck?! Babies don't know what sex they are. How the hell did she qualify as a GP in the first place if she's that stupid?!

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