Trans people are NOT a threat in same sex spaces

[DonnaBe]

So says a study done in Massachusetts and reported in the Boston Globe.

“Study finds no link between transgender rights law and bathroom crimes”

www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/09/11/study-finds-link-between-transgender-rights-law-and-bathroom-crimes/1YWqSptLXOSiobmbH0RBMM/story.html

Maybe we can all take up hobbies now instead of hating on trans people and doctors ?

How about soup making?

Given the increasing number of rapists and people with very indecent pics of children claiming to now be women I'd have to disagree that they are no threat

So why do most international human rights organisations campaign for single sex toilet facilities for women in developing countries, OP? Are you one of those racists who thinks only men in developing nations target women and children in enclosed spaces?

Here we go again with a biological male trying to tell us silly women folk that men aren't really a threat Take your misogyny somewhere else.

Current important thread discussing comments by Professor Coid,
Emeritus professor of forensic psychiatry Queen Mary University of London.

DonnaBe the Professor disagrees with you.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3373901-Gender-folly-in-womens-jails-Sunday-Times-Jeremy-Coid-Emeritus-professor-of-forensic-psychiatry-Queen-Mary-University-of-London

Pleasedonotforgetthetenpercent I’m genuinely very sorry that happened to your daughter, but it doesn’t change the fact that over 90% of sex crimes against women, children AND men, is committed by MEN. Because a child or woman is at a MUCH smaller risk of being abused or attacked by a female, does not mean that we open the doors and let men in. Why take a small risk and turn it into a bigger risk?

I agree POSITIVELY. I’m just asking that the 10% not be forgotten.

No abused woman or child should be forgotten Pleasedonotforgetthetenpercent and that’s why we want to mitigate the risks. 💐

I think you would be better served starting a separate thread about female on female violence please. It's really nothing to do with this issue and conflating the two is confusing and unhelpful.

I'm sure you would get an interesting dialogue going if you did that.

Donna! Found the missing OP, playground chat over on the billboard post.

I thought that Donnabe suggested soap making. I was all excited to get out my essential oils.

Beautifully put Barracker.

Trans people aren't a threat in same-sex places.

Men aren't at risk of assault by transwomen; women aren't at risk from transmen.

Same-gender spaces is another matter.

If we stuck to sex there wouldn't be an issue.

Aspie that’s just not true. And it’s minimising the experience of the 10%

Pleasedonotforgetthetenpercent You’ve already had it suggested that you start a thread on female violence. Do you not think that’s a good idea? Why are you insisting on talking about female violence on a thread about the risk to females from males? I don’t understand what you hope to gain. This isn’t about proving that women commit crime too, we know that a TINY percent do, but that doesn’t prove that women are as much risk from females.

If we stuck to sex there wouldn't be an issue.

Absolutely

I’m challenging an incorrect assertion, and I’m doing so politely.

Pleasedonotforgetthetenpercent Do you think your daughter’s experience proves that we should permit men who identify as women, to use women’s spaces?

I think this is one of the biggest gulfs between ordinary women and trans women

What a peculiar sentence. Trans women aren't some extraordinary kind of woman. They're men. Extraordinary or not is up for debate.

On the topic of doctor hate, I'm getting quite bored of the occasional "tell that to the doctors and their years and years of education" I see pop up on e.g. Twitter.

Those doctors all had to pass exams on anatomy, endocrinology and reproduction. They didn't pass those exams by writing an argumentative essay on the merits of the concept of sex 'assigned at birth' and qualifying everything with 'except some people who appear to be male but want to be seen as female (or vice versa), to which biological facts do not apply'.

If a doctor is telling you you're actually in the process of changing sex, or that you can opt to do so (via hormone levels, surgery, whatever), or that you have a lady brain in a male body - they're a lying piece of shit and I feel sorry for you that you're being so let down by someone who should know better.

PositivelyPerf i have already said I agree with you, but am just asking that the 10% not be forgotten. It’s my post at 13.19.

I’m challenging an incorrect assertion, and I’m doing so politely.

Your input has been acknowledged, and it's even been suggested that people might be interested in engaging in the topic in more depth on a thread for that purpose.

What's the hanging around and justifying your right to make the comment about? Usually when people have genuine input the conversation moves on. When it's a disingenuous derailer telling a story of questionable veracity to detract from the arguments at hand, the poster seems to be more likely to stick around, not really adding anything, and yet somehow making a lot of posts despite that. Your motives will be questioned if you appear to be posting a lot yet contributing little in this particular way.

Nobody has "forgotten" anybody though?

Your post is like someone saying they love cheese toasties and you saying "yeah but what about milk?". What do you expect people to respond with?

Why don't you want to start your own thread - clearly (understandably) this is an important issue for you.

Ah, I see you're going to stick around pretending to contribute while doing nothing but repeat yourself and pretend your input has been stifled rather than acknowledged.

That’s not at all my intentionand I’m sorry if it has come across that way. I find this whole thing really upsetting that the whole discussion revolves Around trans and yet female on female violence and assault and sexualozed behaviour is not discussed.

It is a valid point and a fair point that I have made politely. I personally think all changing should be single cubicle in order to ensure that anyone who wants to can change in their own space without anyone either male female trans or anything else being able to be around them whilst they are in a state of vulnerability and/or u dress.

I'd walk out and tell management if I saw a male bodied person in a woman's changing room, especially if there was no one else in there, regardless of any policies in place.

I avoid being alone with unknown males in general, I think most women do. It's part of the semi-unconscious risk assessment that we do.
For example, if I have to take a taxi I always phone someone from the taxi to say i'm on my way. Even if this is totally unecessary, it lets the driver know I'm expected somewhere soon.

I've never been assulted, I don't have a problem with men in general and know some lovely blokes but even so you have to be careful.

I think this is what transwomen are totally unaware of (or don't care) as they have been raised as boys / men.

I'd like the OP to come back and engage with the concerns raised here. There have been loads of threads started about this and I don't think I've ever seen a trans campaigner really recognise women's concerns as being real.

...makes a good screenshot though - "look how obsessed the radicalisation portal is, they shut down debate on when its one of their own doing the violence"