What's with all the transgender hate?

[Tiggy82]

I'm new to this and have been looking at the feminism chat and there seems to be so much hate and fear about transgender people! What's that about? And apparently you can't be a feminist and be accepting of transgender people, that just seems ludicrous to me, surely feminism is about equality, I am not pretending to be particularly knowledgeable on the trans subject, but i do think having equality for transgender people is nothing but a positive thing. Has anyone actually been personally negatively affected by a transgender person? Or is it all a theoretical fear?

Good question. Why DO so many supporters of transgenderism hate women? OP, can you explain it?

Where, where, where is OP?

I am not pretending to be particularly knowledgeable on the trans subject

We can see that.
Do some reading of the other threads and then post from a position of more knowledge.
And probably cut out the puerile refernces to hate.

What on earth makes you think anyone here hates trans people?

It is a good idea to read the threads yourself. Don't rely on what is said on other sites about MN. See the truth for yourself.

Anti-woman activists with anti-woman demands.

I know what you mean OP. With all the problems facing women it’s bizarre that so many ppl on MN are obsessed with trans issues. It’s virtually every thread on the feminism boards!! It didn’t used to be like that. Occasionally someone makes an interesting point but it’s often hidden behind scaremongering, scapegoating and straw man arguments. It’s tiresome and I rarely engage any more. It’s such a shame as the feminism boards used to be a great place to be. I’ll probably hide this thread now as loads of posters will come on to tell me I’m a handmaid and a men’s rights activist and I’m showing off how woke I am and it’s all so boring.

Your daily reminder that gender critical feminists are the ones trying to uphold the Equality Act, not the ones trying to undermine it.

Ok , Molokonono,which 4 woman were raped in prison? This isn't news I've heard, Mldgebabe, most the posts with the term gender critical has a quite a few hateful comments, and most of the feminism posts that are coming up on my active feed are being pretty horrible about transgender people, Assassinatedbeauty, i am reading and engaging my faculties, thank you and I don't understand so I am asking, I dont understand how trans women erode or affect women's rights donajema

I think if you want equal rights you want nothing to do with feminism.

I believe you want to be looking at egalitarianism.

I have seen what you are referring to but have decided to keep my beak out of it until I've read more and can decide what is going on as I'm very behind in the debate. Something, I fear, you did not decide to do and are now being devoured by the nest of vipers.

Have at it, ye serpents 😂😂

Did you read the thread linked above? Which bits did you disgree with about the erosion of women's rights?

Another faux innocent post. 🙄

Women's rights are eroded, for example, when transwomen compete against biological women in sport, and inevitably win.

What with them being transwomen - meaning they have all the biological advantages of being a man.

This is just one example.

*Which 4 women where raped in prison?
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Thankfully, women who are raped and sexually assaulted still have a right of anonymity, so please don't try and find out their identities.

Why does it matter which 4 women? Is is so the crimes that put them in prison can be assessed to see if they "deserve it"?

Google Karen White and Transgender.

I dont understand how trans women erode or affect women's rights

As has been suggested by several pp, why not spend few hours reading up on the issues? So much better than posting in ignorance of the facts.

Has the OP been called a TRA or handmaiden yet?

OP, why don’t you take a look at the link I posted? It’s a bit much to come on here for the first time, accuse people of being hateful, and then expect them to engage with you and provide you with information when, by your own admission, you haven’t bothered to read up about the issues.

Trousered, I not planning on liberating Caitlin Jenner, I think she is doing well enough, and I don't particularly like her, nothing to do with her trans gender status, just the person that she is, I suppose my question is why can't you be a feminist and be ok with trans people? Do anyone actually have stories and how they were negatively affecting by a trans woman in their life, I certainly don't, from a few post, why am I anti woman? I consider myself very pro women

I would not come onto a board stating I was not particularly knowledgeable about trans and then ask people to justify themselves. Get educated first and then post.
I have been personally negatively effected by the trans ideology but you don’t deserve any further comment as you have not had the decency to acknowledge other threads. If I was posting for the first time and seeking answers I would have read all these threads so I was at least informed. I would not plead ignorance when it is so obvious that there is a wealth of information here to help your knowledge.
Equality of the sexes does not mean a man can invade female spaces. Equality is about a man feeling comfortable to be himself even if it means he is not having to perform masculinity. Same for females. Equality is not males having to think they are women cause they are intimitaded by their own sex. Use your feminism to help these guys accept they can be male and still not be hyper masculine. Use your feminism to support them through their crisis. This is my understanding of equality. I don’t think you can be a feminist if you tell males they have to accept feminity to be seen as equal.
feminism is for females though. Not males. Hence, feminism. Not everything about the sexes is equal. There are differences that need protected. Equal opps, equal pay, equal share of domesticity and child care or aging parent care is surly a given. But men can’t enter female spaces and sports and refuges because of some woke equality feminism
Hows that protecting your sex ?

Ok champagnecommunist, what I meant was, where is the news link? Or any evidence that statement is true? Not the actual names of the women

can't you be a feminist and be ok with trans people?*

Yes. Of course.

But if you replace 'trans people' with 'TRA ideaology' then no, I don't think you can be.

There are lots of other threads about this. Take time to look, read beyond Mumsnet too and then formulate YOUR opinion.

I consider myself to be a feminist.

I'm absolutely fine with transgender people. I have many trans friends of both sexes.

I'm not so fine with the ideology peddled by a lot of the TRAs on twitter, by Stonewall, by Pink News, by TELI, by Mermaids.

I'm not OK with men being given the hard-won rights of women, which women need because of our biology, just because they want them.

I'm not OK with potential changes in the law which will mean abusive men (not trans people) can trample all over safeguards and have easier access to potential victims.

I think it represents erosion of womens' rights, potential abuse of children and also makes life a whole lot harder for genuine transexuals.

What's your opinion OP?

Tiggy82, I know typing is hard work at this time of night, but you've already had a nice easy link given you, and some Google search terms. Why don't you try those?

*genuine dysphoric transsexuals

@Tiggy82 it's on the BBC news website, but since you can't find it yourself: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45436953?SThisFB

And since the person carrying out the assault admitted it, we can safely assume that the women he assaulted aren't liars

A good idea would be to do some research before starting a thread like this.
Look at Karen White (male offender on remand for rape in a female prison who sexually assaulted 4 female prisoners) and the go to Richard Gattage. That one's an eye opener.
It's not about transgender hate, it's about men abusing women.