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What's with all the transgender hate?

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Tiggy82 · 22/09/2018 23:23

I'm new to this and have been looking at the feminism chat and there seems to be so much hate and fear about transgender people! What's that about? And apparently you can't be a feminist and be accepting of transgender people, that just seems ludicrous to me, surely feminism is about equality, I am not pretending to be particularly knowledgeable on the trans subject, but i do think having equality for transgender people is nothing but a positive thing. Has anyone actually been personally negatively affected by a transgender person? Or is it all a theoretical fear?

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Eagleitarian · 24/09/2018 23:07

And what makes you assume they've "never-had-a-hardship-beyond-Netflix-not-loading"? It's an odd assumption and one that could equally be thrown at your stereotypical middle class university feminist (the original 'blue hair' brigade) who spend all their time arguing on buzzfeed and posting memes on Tumblr about 'the menz'.

MIdgebabe · 24/09/2018 23:08

Hang in... are you implying that a white middle class feminist must not dream of being on a board of directors? Why not, are you misogynistic?

Eagleitarian · 24/09/2018 23:13

No, you spectacularly missed the point. I'm saying that people who spend significant amounts of time worrying about being CEOs probably aren't the most oppressed or close to the bottom of the pile. I don't think the woman in the caf who serves me breakfast worries about being a CEO for a ftse company.

FloralBunting · 24/09/2018 23:15

Eagleitarian, in the context of the post, which I note you didn't quote, it was a comparison of Bunce types et al with the actual life and death oppression the LGB community has faced, both historically and in the present day. I'm sure the Enbys of YouTube may well have faced some difficulty in their life, same as anyone else, but they are appropriating wildly by claiming anywhere near the same levels of actual oppression LGB people have faced. Given that a lot of them can't cope with the wrong pronouns, I'd say their judgement in this matter is severely impaired.

AverageWoman · 24/09/2018 23:17

Would this be an appropriate place to point out that women don't have penises? Smile

MIdgebabe · 24/09/2018 23:20

Ok I am still missing the point. Sorry! Starting again, What is the transphobic statement and why is it transphobic? Can you do that without making assumptions about the person who wrote the statement? I am not sure why you introduced CEO s into the discussion?

MIdgebabe · 24/09/2018 23:20

It's just sometime soon I find these dicussions very difficult to understand

Ereshkigal · 24/09/2018 23:27

Would this be an appropriate place to point out that women don't have penises?

Everywhere is an appropriate place to point out that salient fact Grin

Beesandfrogsandfleas · 24/09/2018 23:30

White middle class feminists - never raped, never subjected to violence in the home, never leered at in the street, never subjected to online threats of sexual violence, never have to curtail their lives from fear of male violence, never watching less experienced men take promotions from them, never experience the mental load of wifework and motherhood. Top of the pile, if it’s a pretty low pile.

LadyBrian · 24/09/2018 23:34

What's a transfolk? Someone who was raised my metalheads but now plays acoustic guitar in a cornfield?

LadyBrian · 24/09/2018 23:35

The assumption that because we are literate and educated means we must be middle class says more about you than us Eagle.

ALittleBitofVitriol · 24/09/2018 23:36

The white middle class feminists I know have experienced most of those things... that's the thing about patriarchy, women in every class experience subjugation on account of their biology. It's ubiquitous. Feminists stand for the liberation of all women, the divide and conquer routine is exposed.

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 24/09/2018 23:42

What's a transfolk? Someone who was raised my metalheads but now plays acoustic guitar in a cornfield? Grin

FloralBunting · 24/09/2018 23:46

I am white, and I am a feminist, I'll give you that. Not middle class though. Not that matters. I know middle class women who have suffered through their sex. But I'm never going to be a CEO. I am widely read and articulate, but that's cos I passed my 11+ and became the first person in my family to make it to Uni. Sadly, I didn't finish, and I wasn't able to take advantage of all the opportunities that came my way due to the money needed, and I left early to care for my mother who had breast cancer.

LillyoftheCentralValley · 24/09/2018 23:54

people who spend significant amounts of time worrying about being CEOs probably aren't the most oppressed or close to the bottom of the pile The highest paid "woman" CEO in the US was born male. So that means??????

HandsOffMyRights · 24/09/2018 23:56

I'll bet there's more female than trans CEOs!*Hard to quantify given that the definition of trans seems to encompass everybody. The female CEO who is non gender conforming would sit under that mahoosive brolly.

HandsOffMyRights · 25/09/2018 00:04

I'd also like to add....women don't have penises and 'what's with all this women hate?"

CottonTailRabbit · 25/09/2018 00:32

That was a weird example to take as transphobia. Transphobic to rant that that transfolk are not actually the most oppressed people ever? Okaaaay. Maybe somebody should tell Malala, all those girls in Rotherham, anyone with a #metoo story or five as well. Bunce is more oppressed! Male bodied young white Goldsmiths students are more oppressed! Any suggestion that they have no idea about real oppression is transphobic. Confused

MrsBertBibby · 25/09/2018 07:30

I'll bite. There was a really childish thread recently about (I assume) Lily Madigan posting pics of herself in a crop top. It was like a bloody sixth form bitchfest in there. I have grave misgivings about LM's appropriation of a women's Officer post, but bitching about her rather silly Twitter posts wouĺd give many the impression she's just a hate figure, rather than the subject of serious debate.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 25/09/2018 07:33

Have you not seen th comments about Mick (don't know his second name) at the labour party conference? He has long hair and was wearing what looked like a peachy coloured womans top. I may be wrong but he looked like a cross dresser. The comments were horrible. Lily goes out of their way to insult, goad and tk absolute nonsense.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 25/09/2018 07:34

Besides Lily has threatened us all with topless shots.

MrsBertBibby · 25/09/2018 07:36

Yes of course LM can be a goady fucker. That doesn't make it OK or helpful to rise to it in a way that makes this place look like the bunch of 'phobes they would like to convince the undecided that it is.

Pandamodium · 25/09/2018 07:40

I don't think the woman in the caf who serves me breakfast worries about being a CEO for a ftse company.

Eagle I'm not middle class. I live in one of the poorest areas in the country, I'm GCSE educated. I do pass for white (with a really good tan) and I'm straight.

I'm mid shift and I've made four breakfasts already. I don't work in a caf, although with three kids in the house fond of the saying "it's not a bloody restaurant" at times.

A women losing her rightful place on that list does worry me. I'm not blind or so selfish only to worry about things directly affecting me.

This "white, middle class women" gets chucked about a lot doesn't it?

sausagebap · 25/09/2018 07:44

Yes, funny how terves are all apparently white and middle-class, as opposed to the brave working class trans women of color such as Lily, India, Jane etc.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/09/2018 07:58

No, you spectacularly missed the pointno, you missed the point. As Floral has explained.