Confused

[PeakedinthePeaks]

Hi, I'm new to all the current debates around feminism and feminism itself and have lurked a lot and posted a little.
I'm confused over a conversation I had with a colleague last week discussing self ID and the concerns women are raising. Is it possible to be a feminist and have no issue with all inclusive toilets and changing rooms and to believe that trans women are women? I didn't think so but like I said, I'm new to the subject and realise the answers are probably in other posts somewhere but couldn't find a title to match my question.
I am very uncomfortable with all inclusive toilets and have been following GRA discussions.
Can you be a feminist and support the GRA?

Op I was this fifth poster on this thread to answer you and have addressed your OP throughout. Your choice not not like the answer.

Opinions can't be wrong barracker - they are just that, opinions

I know the prison system isn't perfect but sex offenders are never housed with women. That won't change with a GRA reform.

I know I'm making the basic error of constructing my argument out of logic and facts for a poster who is immune to both. But for the lurkers...

Dakini's latter statement disproves the former.

Opinions can't be wrong barracker - they are just that, opinions.

A lot of the TRA ideology isn’t opinion, it’s belief. Beliefs are often demonstrably falsifiable.

I can’t prove whether there’s a god one way or another. I can however demonstrate that the earth orbits the sun, and that humans cannot change sex.

When I’m ordered to believe something I know to be empirically false I’m afraid what I think is, and yet it moves

Peaked, Dakinis thinks you're one of those mean and nasty exclusionary rad fems. They know now they can't lure you away from the uncomfortable realities of their male-centering version of 'feminism' by appealing to your female socialization, so they're just going to whine a bit about how mean rad fems are without addressing any of the substantive points put to them beyond saying "It's just an admin change and the bad stuff will never happen!"

Saying TW sex offenders wouldn't be placed in women's prisons isn't an "opinion". It's untruthful.

Of course you are a handmaiden. No woman who cares for the safety of other females and kids would do what you do Dakinis. If you were not born male then in my opinion it is akin to being a handmaiden. You can fight for trans rights without damaging the safety of your own sex if you are female. My response has nothing to do with whether I’m a rad fem or lib fem or whatever class of feminism is there to support my view. My stance is as a female. I am female hear me roar. That’s it. Pure and simple.

Nope. One can't object to being called a TERF then go round calling other women handmaidens. The irony!

Dakinis. Was that response to me?

I'm glad you agree that male centric feminists shouldn't call women TERFs.

Is "male centric feminists" better?

Cor you rad fems really know how to win friends and influence people.

Anyway OP hope you got the answers you were looking for. Seems like you have found your people.

Can you tell us whether you've revised your 'not wrong' opinion on there never being any rapists in women's prisons please Dakinis?

I'm much more interested in that.

Dakinis
Your silence on who, other than predatory males, would benefit from self ID, is very telling.

Dakinis, you were asked questions. You didn't answer and you were shown that your opinion was factually wrong. At this point I'm not really sure why you're trying to convince anyone you were in any way likely to be won as a friend.

For those who've just joined us, a reminder of Dakinis' earlier statement:

I know the prison system isn't perfect but sex offenders are never housed with women.

Anyway OP hope you got the answers you were looking for. Seems like you have found your people.

I'm sure the OP found answers, as did the hundreds of lurkers.

What you probably won't ever realise is their answers were largely supplied by you, Dakinis.

As I keep pointing out, the current law works on the basis of self ID. All this fear about males identifying as female and using female spaces. They've been doing it for 14 years. Legally. For 14 years.
This is incredibly misleading. Transexuals have been using toilets discretely and it hasn't caused a problem. It was never really publically discussed so other men never took advantage. In order to do it, transexuals had to be dressed as women and keep their penis hidden. They had to be careful about the places they accessed - it was pretty much only toilets. Had they wanted to use a women's refuge, women's services or women's only swimming sessions, they would have been told to leave.
What has started to happen in recent years is men have been exploiting their "right" to identify as a woman without making any steps to physically transition and they have been brazen about the places they are demanding access to.
There isn't a clear definition of what a transwoman is and there are no places that they feel should remain female only.

Frustrating though it is to argue with people who make false claims, have them refuted and then determinedly ignore any requests to acknowledge that, it does such a wonderful job in exposing to the many lurkers that TRAs are just smoke blowers.

They have nothing.
No explanations, no acknowledgement of facts, no definitions, no ability to be reasonable.

Just plop, you're all mean, that never happens, lalala I can't hear you, you're mean, I'm off, bye

Over and over, thread after thread.
Like a pp said, the TRAs peaktrans everyone. They're unable to help it.

Voice0fReason

That's it exactly.

Datun that made me chuckle.

Yes, I have my answers. And a new identity kindly given to me by you Dakinis, "Peaks the Rad Fem." I'm off to read around radical feminism and see if I fit my assigned identity (and possibly change my username).

Just plop, you're all mean, that never happens, lalala I can't hear you, you're mean, I'm off, bye

Sometimes I get torn between irritation over their stance, and indignation that they clearly think women are largely idiots.

Like that fool on the Brushbox thread. Check it out, if you haven't already.

I'm still trying to imagine calling Datun 'my little radfem'.

I don’t think the op has found her people. The op is in the same position as me. Has a trans identifying child but also is aware of female safety. Just because us parents see this dilemma and want to support their child but simultaneously protect females doesn’t mean we are bigots or terfs. My child’s belief cannot trump the safety of women.. But u probably won’t understand my position. I’m supposed to show unconditional belief/love and accept my child’s belief even if it is to the detriment of half the population. Well, I’m not woke. Thank goodness. My child has no right to compromise females.

Cor you rad fems really know how to win friends and influence people.

I’m not interested in conciliatory. I don’t need more friends. I’m fairlyvsock of being nice.

It’s awkward isn’t it when people ask these questions? Why are kids being exposed to harm by being placed outside the safeguarding framework? Why are male rapists in women’s prisons? Why are a small vocal group of men determined to get rid of any space that excludes men? Why are kids being sold an idea they can change sex? Why are gender stereotypes being made more rigid? Why are kids being told puberty blockers are harmless and channelled into surgery while young while adults press for demedicalisation? Why did no one do due diligence on jess Bradley? Or Aimee Challenor’s election agent?

These are tough questions. They aren’t supposed to be nice.

They’re supposed to make you think.