Dr Nicola Williams on BBC2 at 10.15, Victoria Live

[PersistenceIsNotFutile]

Twitter thread here: twitter.com/AskNic/status/1039073161252364288

That is good.

Well laid out.

I didn't realise that about the UN policy on segregating male and female prisoners... Very useful

Richard Garside (above website) also has a useful Twitter thread in which he mentions a decision he finds troubling which is in re:

To be fair to the Prison Service, this part of the Instruction is an attempt to implement a 2009 judicial review decision, a decision I find troubling. (Garside then links (see below) the relevant law report: Human rights—Transgender person —Gender status for prison allocation.)

twitter.com/RichardJGarside/status/1038009545795293186

www.newlawjournal.co.uk/content/law-reports-106

Yes there absolutely is a mechanism for women to be transferred to the male estate if they're deemed too dangerous to house in the female one. It's in the transgender guidelines. Why that doesn't appear to apply to rapists, I'm not sure.

Is that 2009 legal precedent Karen whatsername, the one that Lord Patel invited to the HoL?

It's this case in much fuller detail:

www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5a8ff76260d03e7f57eabf57

The dates match KJ as the case in question has somebody already serving 2 strikes:

KJ thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3180050-Invited-to-talk-at-the-House-of-Lords

When I've got more time I'll look that up, as I thought - in fact I'm sure - there is a mechanism for 'females' to be held in the male estate if considered too dangerous for the female estate.

There is, but it's never been used I don't think (please correct me someone if wrong). AFAIK it's also in the trans guidelines that they would be expected to be held with the other women (male or otherwise) considered too dangerous. Of which there are no female examples.

James Kirkup:

Govt policy put a rapist in a women’s prison. Women suffered sexual assault as a result. MPs asked to debate this and question ministers. Speaker John Bercow said No. That is a disgusting political failure.

twitter.com/jameskirkup/status/1039843626644324353

Govt policy put a rapist in a women’s prison. Women suffered sexual assault as a result. MPs asked to debate this and question ministers. Speaker John Bercow said No

So john bercow is another man in power who wants to increase vulnerable womens risk of rape?

So john bercow is another man in power who wants to increase vulnerable womens risk of rape?

Absolutely. I would also add cowardly.

Speaker forbids questions over rapists in women's prisons.

Wow. Not even trotting out 'lessons will be learned'.

Govt policy put a rapist in a women’s prison. Women suffered sexual assault as a result. MPs asked to debate this and question ministers. Speaker John Bercow said No

So john bercow is another man in power who wants to increase vulnerable womens risk of rape?

Blokes, eh? And the stupid women who support this pile of crap, obviously.

John Bercow is a well known and habitual misogynist.

He is not a well loved MP.

Bercow actively supports the Tran cause and has accused opponents of using spurious protection claims to deny trans rights. Not at all surprised he blocked the debate but it is a disgrace.

Do you think it’s at all possible that Bercow himself shelters under the edge of the trans umbrella?

I know it's been a couple of days since the news, but it's been percolating in me and the light of my fury is just burning brighter and brighter.

I don't want the shock factor to diminish. I will not become inured to this.

They reward a rapist and paedophile by giving him access to incarcerated women and children.

He is convicted of four assaults and John Bercow is forbidding an MP, a man who represents his constituency, from asking how?

How many more women hating tossers are we going to have to get through?

BettyDuMonde

At this point it wouldn't surprise me if there were regular cross party lock ins at the HoP. Where our leaders wander around in furry costumes and nappies, looking lustily at the ones dressed as oversized three year old girls, sucking on massive dummies.

No doubt festivities draw to a close with all concerned looking all satisfied with the evening's collections of stains, both inside and out, of their party frocks and Puss in Thigh High Boots number.

I miss the Tories' Sleaze Fest of the 80s. At least I understood the motivations of fairly vanilla rumpy pumpy with people you weren't married to.

John Bercow made a speech from Speaker's House at a Pink News reception July 4th 2018

OP junebedford82 wrote:
"Just saw this on P*k News
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/07/04/speaker-john-bercow-tells-pinknews-reception-2/

Bercow
"There’s still a huge challenge in terms of the trans community. We need to up our level of standing up for the rights of trans people. We shouldn’t allow people to peddle anti-trans messages under the guise of trying to protect other people’s rights. We shouldn’t let people muddy the waters in that way. It’s just not people screaming abuse in the streets – it’s sometimes people who have access to the media and can write articulately, and are using their position to push messages which I think result in very considerable and dangerous displays of hostility to trans people. Up with that we must not put, as Churchill might have said.”

What on earth is he doing? How can a supposedly-independent speaker intervene on something in the middle of the government consultation?"
Threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3298016-John-Bercows-rant-about-Gender-Critical-women

Postcards with Churchill quotes sent to The Speaker of the House of Commons:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3299190-Send-a-postcard-to-John-Bercow

Pink News (above) comments:
"House of Commons Speaker John Bercow has hit out at anti-trans voices in the media in a speech at the PinkNews summer reception in Parliament.

Speaker Bercow was hosting the PinkNews summer reception in Westminster in partnership with Zurich, which follows events in Cardiff, Edinburgh and Belfast.

Although the holder of the office of Speaker is required to be politically independent, Bercow has repeatedly spoken up in favour of LGBT equality during his nine years in the role

He made no exception at the July 4 PinkNews reception in Speaker’s House, giving a “most explicit and unequivocal statement of support” for LGBT rights and PinkNews.

In his speech, the Speaker hit out at anti-transgender voices in the media, the week the government launched a much-criticised consultation on gender recognition rules." (continues)

They all seem to like their pink news gongs and acclaimations, don't they. Do any of them read it?

'Other people's rights'

That would be women, Berkoff. Actual real women with vaginas, and stretch marks, and breasts that bear the passage of time.

They all seem to like their pink news gongs and acclaimations

The number of influential policians speaking surrounded by Pink News branding is note-worthy.

It might give some the impression that they're sponsored by PN...

I think there are probably some very well connected noses in some well funded pink sparkly stunning and brave troughs right now. I'm not a researcher, but a number of us are and the follow-the-money hunt would probably be enlightening.

Oh, and because it hardly needs saying, I didn't, but I am disgusted with this squashing of representative democracy.

John Bercow has always been a nasty piece of work but he's excelled himself now. Notice how he goes to special receptions held by Pink News.
I 'm sure Flora Bunting is on the right track when she moots noses in troughs. There is nothing new about British MPs getting goody-bags from lobby-groups. It happens with politicians all over the world. The TRA lobby group is quite staggeringly well funded, and women funnily enough are not.
In case anyone is interested, I am posting on GAB which is totally uncensored.
gab.ai/Green_Witch
I set up the account a month ago, foreseeing that Twitter would soon give me a permanent ban.

@Flora Bunting
I couldn't agree more. They seem to think they just have a right to stomp all over those who disagree, and that we are inferior.

"Speaker Bercow was hosting the PinkNews summer reception in Westminster "
Sounds a bit like the special LGBT receptions they hold in number 10. Or the celeb-filled Stonewall gatherings. All top-notch and lavishly financed. Where is there any sort of comparable representation or consultation for women?
Bercow has never been politically neutral and he's never been a conservative except in the sense of wanting a high salary, low taxes and sod everybody else.