Dr Nicola Williams on BBC2 at 10.15, Victoria Live

[PersistenceIsNotFutile]

Twitter thread here: twitter.com/AskNic/status/1039073161252364288

That Tara tweet!

Yikes!

Tara’s court case (suing the MOJ) is scheduled for the end of the month.

GreenWitch you have to subvert the rules a bit. Talk constantly about 'her penis', it just shows up how ridiculous it is.

Tara Hudson's mum was interviewed by media:
October 2015 Guardian 'Transgender prisoner at HMP Bristol 'being sexually harassed' '
(extracts)
"In her first phone call home since being jailed, Hudson told her mother, Jackie Brooklyn, that she has become the victim of sexual harassment and innuendos, confirming the worst fears of her family and supporters.

Brooklyn said: “The prison allowed me to speak to her for about two minutes. She’s in a cell next to someone who has tried to commit suicide six times since she’s been there. She’s getting sexually harassed. Inmates are screaming from their cells: ‘Tara, Tara, Tara, show us your tits.’”

Prison officials only gave Hudson fresh underwear to change into on Wednesday, Brooklyn claimed, adding that until then she had been wearing the same clothes as when she was jailed on Friday.

Hudson has been kept in the healthcare wing, away from the general population. “She’s very isolated because she’s locked up for 23 hours a day and obviously when she’s allowed out she’s getting sexual harassment from all the other inmates,” Brooklyn said.

On Friday Hudson’s supporters will gather outside Bristol crown court, where her case is expected to be taken to an appeal. They hope that a judge will decide to commute her 12-week jail term to a non-custodial sentence." (continues)

Hudson had lived as a female since she was a teenager, her mother said. “We always knew that she was born into the wrong body from a very early age,” she said. “From the age of five she knew she wanted to be a girl. She started going to gender reassignment clinic at 16.”

It was six years ago that Hudson began the surgical and hormone treatments needed to make the full transition from male to female. “It’s been going fine,” Brooklyn said. “She’s got really big boobs, as you’ve seen from the pictures. But it’s a really long, slow process – there’s a lot of counselling involved.”

She fears her daughter will suffer emotionally because of her experience in the male prison. She said: “It’s going to set her right back, she’s very sensitive. She’s had problems with her mental health before because of all the transphobic abuse.” (continues)

concludes:
"Brooklyn said she hoped the attention focused on her daughter’s case would lead to more sensitive treatment for transgender prisoners. “I just hope that the laws are changed, that transgender people can live their life as they want and go to the appropriate prison. If they are living as a woman they should go to the women’s prison,” she said."
www.theguardian.com/society/2015/oct/29/transgender-prisoner-tara-hudson-sexually-harassed-hmp-bristol

29/10/15 Independent article by Cerian Jenkins 'Why I started the petition to save a trans woman from an all-male prison'

"There must be no uncertainty – Tara's welfare is under incredible strain because of the cruelty of our justice system. Confirming all of our fears – not least her mother Jackie's – it has just been reported that her time in prison has so far consisted of constant and terrifying sexual harassment. She needs help, and she needs it now.

I first heard about Tara’s case via my local paper in Bath, and I knew immediately that the members of the BGEN would want to launch a campaign. We support national campaigns as much as we can, but this was right on our doorstep, and that gave us huge impetus and potential leverage. Within five minutes of my bringing it up to the group, we were formulating a plan – and getting in contact with Tara’s mother, Jackie, to ensure that she was happy for us to move forward with our campaign" (continues)

28/10/2015 Jane Fae New Statesman:
'Why has the trans woman Tara Hudson been sent to an all-male prison?
Tara Hudson must now endure cruelty because the authorities following the rulebook only read half of it. For trans people, that is the reality of justice in Britain today'.
(extract)
"How did we get here? At the individual level, the issue is either the failure of Hudson to change the gender recorded on her passport or, acccording to the MoJ, the fact that she does not have a gender recognition certificate (GRC), which is awarded by a panel once a person has lived in their new gender for two years. The MoJ have not said this in so many words: it’s just that every time they are asked why she has been sent to a men’s prison, they respond by talking about “legal gender” and GRCs.

Why Hudson would not have a GRC is unclear: we do not know precisely what surgeries she has had, nor why she has not got a GRC. I don’t have one. I will not, because I absolutely refuse the right of the state to demand money from me for the simple purpose of acknowledging who I am. In that sense, the GRC is NOT like a passport or driving license. Because it says that my gender is dependent on the ratiocination of some state apparatchik, who obviously knows who I am better than I do.

A growing number of trans men and women agree with me, objecting to this imposition for a variety of reasons. It’s a gender tax. State intrusion." (continues)
www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2015/10/why-has-trans-woman-tara-hudson-been-sent-all-male-prison

The Carlos Delacruz case. Reported here that CD is held in segregation while they assess where CD should go. Presumably in a male prison at the moment

They will never put a trans identifying female in a male prison, because they know that the natal female will be raped and abused by some of the men. The prison services know that people can’t change sex, but since it’s only affecting female prisoners, it’s easier to capitulate to the TRAs.

No trans identifying female has, to my knowledge, EVER demanded to be put in a male jail. Even they, for all their ‘I’m a real boy’ protestations know that they are living a lie and won’t be accepted as, or safe as trans identifying females in a male jail.

@Rowantrees
I can't read the screenshot from Twitter. It is too small.

GreenWitch, if you click on the image it gets bigger

"To do what you say would be caving in to bullying."

No, because Mumsnet will block and ban you if you ignore their policies (which are the result of bullying from TRAs).

Seriously, they will. You will see.

Green, I doubt any GC poster here would disagree with you. But to continue to post on MN, we are in the ridiculous situation that we must abide by certain restrictions.

But with thousands of hits a day, we stick around, play by the rules and talk to the lurkers (and each other) and have a great communal recipe swap to boot!

Betty, exactly. It's a an unhappy compromise, and I understand that not everyone can cope with it ( and the biggest hugs to them) but the compromise means we still have this platform to reach out to others on.

I hope that all women who are concerned about the grave impact of gender self-ID on women's rights will use the government's online consultation on GRA to express their concerns. It would also be a good idea to write to the Minister for Women, Victoria Atkins, either directly or via your MP.
Her Email is
Experience shows you usually get better results if you write to your MP and request that they forward the letter on to the Minister. they have an obligation to do so.
I copy my own letter here in case it's of any use to those who are short of time for writing lengthy letters themselves.
Letter to Victoria Atkins MP, Minister for Women. 27th August 2018
Dear Ms Atkins,
First of all may I say that I am horrified to learn that you were driven off Twitter because of abuse and death threats. What steps have the police and twitter taken to prosecute the perpetrators?
Secondly, I welcome the remarks you made in your interview with the Daily Telegraph as reported yesterday.
" Sophie Foster
26 AUGUST 2018 • 10:21PM
TThe women’s minister has said she is “cautious” about the number of teenagers undergoing gender reassignment treatment and warned the country needs to be “particularly alert” to the issue. a
Victoria Atkins expressed concern that a rising number of teenagers were seeking “life-changing” medical interventions. Young people were undergoing treatment to change their gender because they regard it as “an answer to questions they are not asking themselves”, the minister said.
As a woman whose own MP is deaf on this subject, I urge you to question and discard all the transgender ideology being so aggressively and determinedly promoted by Stonewall, the media especially The Guardian, and vociferous trans groups worldwide. Get it out of schools!
It is a false ideology and the impact on young people and society is a disaster.
You are quite right that the escalation of Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria among teenage girls is a bad sign - it is a sign that they are being influenced by a widely proliferated media campaign. Children in our schools are being brainwashed to believe lies, that you can "change your sex" or "choose your gender". This is rubbish. We are all male or female from conception. Changing your hairstyle or clothing does not change that fact, nor does taking artificial hormones or having surgery, both of which are risky and harmful (to say nothing of the astronomical costs). Nobody is "born in the wrong body" - that is an irrational myth. Transgender ideology is unscientific, irrational, opposed to facts and commonsense.
Children who are led down this path will end up eunuchs, and I personally know some ex-trans people who deeply regret the years of pretence and self-harm.
Your sex is a fact found in the DNA of every cell in your body.
I am a woman XX and I refuse to be bullied into calling any man a woman. I object to the crimes of violent men being recorded or reported as the crimes of a woman. I object to the loss of women's SAFE SPACES such as refuges, changing rooms, public toilets, gyms and swimming pools, by making them open to men. There are many examples of the abuse of this access, and our feelings are enough without giving any further reason. The feelings of the women - the vast majority - must take precedence over the feelings of a tiny number of vociferous men such as the loathesome Aimee/Ashton Challenor who is the puppet of Stonewall.
It is an outrage for men to compete in sport as "women" - that is not competing, it is cheating. Trans"women" are MEN and they endanger women athletes by entering into competition with them. Men are taller and heavier than women, have bigger lungs, hearts and skeletons than women, regardless of taking a few pills. They even have greater bone density, meaning they can stand up to greater impact without injury. Women's sport must remain for WOMEN XX.
It is also an outrage for Penny Mordaunt to say that parliament would be fair if we had 50% men and 50% "transwomen" i.e. men in frocks pretending to be women. That would mean 100% men. As a woman and a feminist I want to be represented by real women. There is no such thing as "transphobia", that is sheer twaddle.
The insidious myth of "gender self-ID" effectively abolishes women as a biological category. It claims that you become a woman by identifying as one - but what in that case are you identifying as? You are identifying as someone who identifies as someone who identifies as...etc etc. It does not make sense.
Woman = a human with XX chromsomes. Nobody should be allowed to bully me into affirming what I know to be a lie and an ideology that does harm. That is not "trans rights" it is Stonewall dictatorship.
When I say bullying, bear in mind that the repulsive Aimee/Ashton Challenor actually brought a court injunction last year against another member of the Green Party, Andy Healey, who wanted to speak against the policy of gender-self-ID. He was forced to go to Liverpool court in spring of 2017 so he could not speak. Stonewall (which employs Aimee/Ashton as an adviser) is behind this, and they are systematically undermining the democratic rights of other people. They are determined to silence all dissent.
Gender self-ID is false and it is nonsense. It is also wrong to allow anybody to alter the sex or any other information on their birth certificate retrospectively. It sets up a dangerous precedent that facts can be edited and changed later, with the evidence erased. Society has a right to keep accurate records. You cannot change the past, you can only lie.
Gender ideology is not "progress" it is anti-social bunkum. Please tell Damian Hinds to get it out of schools and work with all other ministers to eradicate it from the Conservative party and all legislation.
More information can be found on the websites of WomansPlaceUK, FairPlayforWomen, TransgenderTrend and 4thWaveNow plus that of the campaigner Posie Parker.
Yours sincerely,
.

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BettyDuMonde wrote: we stick around, play by the rules and talk to the lurkers (and each other)

Just posted this on PSA thread but might be relevant here on the general theme of WTGLWGH. See 2 mins in: "What's it like fighting a bloke that doesn't hit back?"

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M83YEKezAE

You say we "must" but who is imposing that rule and what is the penalty for disregarding it?
To cave in and call a man a woman is to accept defeat from the outset. To use their jargon and allow them to appropriate language is to hand them the victory.
I have been banned from Twitter and Facebook and I now realize that it is high time that women had a social network of their own not controlled by men. Men (TRAs) are stalking and prowling all the existing websites to police them and impose their control.

Mumsnet forces us to lie, by censoring us when we won't.
But it is a hugely important open forum that is bringing this issue to many readers, do some of us have chosen to tolerate the - unfair and unethical - restrictions to talk about this ON THIS FORUM.

Nobody can force me in real life.

I pay a price with my integrity to post here, but it is worth it. I won't lie, and I won't use preferred pronouns, and I won't use misleading terminology.

But I self censor to be allowed to post.

@DoeDoe You say "Mumsnet will block and ban you if you ignore their policies (which are the result of bullying from TRAs)."
I am perfectly well aware that there is bullying by TRAs. But unless we stand up to it, they are winning.
What exactly can TRAs do to Mumsnet if they don't impose this policy which is not yet enshrined in any law?
I can't think of any case where giving in to bullying led to victory.

We just stick to names and initials and avoid pronouns as much as possible.
It sometimes makes the conversation rather clunky but it’s the same level of politeness I would personally use to another human beings’ face - no lies, but no deliberate rudeness either.

There are some uncensored social media sites such as MeWe and GAB. Unless an all-women network is set up I suggest that we resume the discussion there.
Tara Hudson is a man, Ian Huntley is a man, "Karen" White is a man and "Carrie" Cooper is a man.
Pronouns: He, him, his.

R0wantrees

Thanks for the background info. As an aside, I find it very interesting that Jane Fae has always been so vehement about not getting a GRC. I've always assumed it was because Jane might not get the diagnosis of dysphoria off two professionals - especially considering Jane's special interests.

Or perhaps I'm just cynical.

Green, maybe read the fecking site before you start, eh? There are threads and threads discussing the ‘rules’. If you continue to try to get posters to misgender (which will silence discussion because men will ban them) you will start to look like a TRA trying to close down FWR.
We are well aware of the issues.

Or, carry on. And you’ll be banned from here as well. It’s a personal choice.

You can also read millions of posts where FWR users discuss which MPs have been approached, the responses given, and other ideas to continue fighting against trans dogma.

It’s great to have another GC voice. But use it carefully, or it will disappear like others have. And we work extremely hard to be able to maintain discussion here.

Well
I just use their names lik3 Hudson or madison

Means we can keep chatting and that enrages them a lot

A lot

The thing is, Green, if you break the talk rules on this forum all we will be able to say is "remember that poster called green? She had some cracking good posts before they were all deleted and she got banned", and then your audience of several million visitors each month never gets exposed to your thoughts.

I completely respect people who cannot bend to these rules, and I personally hate the rules and think they outlaw truth.

I've chosen to pay the price of hobbling my language somewhat to gain the platform. I won't compromise the truth though. I just have to choose clunky ways of expressing it.

And I hope for the days when the moderator team simply let free speech stand.