Transgender inmate Karen White admits sexually assaulting female prisoners in women's estate, also guilty of rape prior to being imprisoned.

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BBC article: 'Transgender inmate admits Wakefield jail sex offences'
"A transgender prisoner has admitted sexually assaulting inmates at a women's jail.

Karen White, 51, who was born male but now identifies as a woman, has pleaded guilty to two counts of sexual touching at New Hall Prison, Wakefield.

The offences took place between September and November last year. She has since been moved to a male prison.

Details emerged when White appeared at Leeds Crown Court to admit to a rape committed before she was jailed.

She previously admitted two further rape charges, which also happened outside prison.

White will be sentenced for all offences on 11 October."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45436953

Don't get too excited about Jess Phillips...

Argh I cut it off but Jess agrees with James there ^

But if anyone can opt into the female sex, then how can the Equality Act distinguish between different types of female?

If our prisons can't do it, then how are things like gyms supposed to do it?

Well said Cesira.

Has anyone asked the prision officers union for their thoughts. Surely the increased strength etc will increase danger to their female officers.

If our prisons can't do it, then how are things like gyms supposed to do it?

The prison service have access to pre-sentence reports, resources and also time.

Refuges and homeless services etc have nothing like these.

I'm sure the Prison service gave their misgivings about the GRA. I can't find it now, but essentially the argument was that Self ID wasn't going to work because it was in direct conflict with the Equality Act.

Daily Mail article here, with comment from Nic Williams www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5798945/Trans-women-convicted-men-attack-vulnerable-inmates.html good on the DM for 'deadnaming' Martin Ponting who now says he is a woman Jessica Winfield and got transfered to a woman's prison.

In this article from Spet 17, Ponting/Winfield complains about poor treatment due to a "lack of empathy" for their condition. Makes me sick. Indie

Would a convicted male rapist of women be able to get a GRC? They may be able to convince someone that they have (or actually do have) gender dysphoria, but is there any provision for refusing GRCs for men who have shown violence against women?

Not that I'm aware of seafret. I'll be delighted if someone can prove me wrong.

Me too MipMipMip

I am so, so terribly late to all this as life has been all about basic survival for the last 15 years, and the more I read the more angry I get with how far this crazy nightmare has already gone.

Stll not enough people know about how serious (ly mad) this all has become.

We should have had a referendum of women before women's legal rights were given away. The ECHR had done some good for my family as we have illlness/disability but I would give it all up to be able to keep the most basic and fundamental of human rights; woman = adult human female based on biological sex only. if we don't have that and real honest truth, then I fear the rest is on its way out too.

Raping women and sexually abusive behaviour toward a child is male pattern abuse . That overrides and negates any claim of having some kind of feminine gender identity. The rapist has proved exactly how masculine he is, and should be banned from having a GRC or pretending in any other way, to be a woman.

Karen Lawson was convicted of two separate rapes / attempted rape.
Whilst in prison, they were able to access NHS treatment for medical transition. They now say they have completed NHS treatment, which almost certainly means they have a GRC.
Karen Lawson has recently given evidence to the House of Lords about improving the treatment of trans prisoners.
Karen has always been extremely clear that the rapes they committed were directly linked to their being trans, talking about their jealousy and frustration against women for being female when Karen wasn't.
A large number of my TRA acquaintances defended Karen, vociferously arguing for her to be moved to a women's prison, allowed to access medical transition whilst in hospital, and that Karen shouldn't be in prison at all because the rapes were down to Karen being trans and not getting the surgery and hormones she needed.
Even at the time, I was horrified by the implication that if Karen rapes because they were trans and unable to get treatment, should this mean that I must therefore expect untreated trans people to be rapists? Predictable result was being incoherently screamed at.

Short version: yes, men who rape can get GRCs to be legally regarded as women.

Reply on that jessphillips tweet

twitter.com/Brummy/status/1038356915942772736

Honestly

twitter.com/MrSamJPhillips/status/1038352358256852992

And great, someone claiming that transwomen would be more in danger than women if placed in male states.

That thread is infuriating.

Just reading through the tweet threads posted here.

This one

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There are facilities in the male estate for prisoners that are too dangerous to be around other prisoners. These same facilities are to available to house particularly dangerous women as well, which is what happens when needed. There are no such facilities in the female estate.
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How many women (and by women I refer to people where the doc announced "it's a little girl!" at the ultrasound/birth) are actually housed in the "too dangerous prisoners" facility on the male estate ?

How many have been in the past ?

Just trying to work out if this facility mentioned in the tweet is more smoke and mirrors or an actual thing. Cos if an actual thing, as presented in the tweet it's a unisex unit. So at an absolute minimum, while we sort this mess out, all convicted violent TW (which would include Tara 7 inch surprise) can go there without gender feelings getting hurt. Right ?

I'm on Twitter (oh my eyes). Can someone please explain the rules as to what is 'reportable'?

I see people using the T word (I though that wasn't allowed?)

I see people using biology incorrectly

I see threats against women and clarion calls to pile onto other threads to attack a poster (and contact their employer, union, etc)

I see wilful gasket gaslighting and bare faced lies

What do you have to do to get banned/deleted as the only ones I have seen have been GC women.

I've reported some posts (nowt happened) but there isn't 'this poster is talking crap' option or a 'using offensive terminology' one).

Is twitter managed by the beardy ones?

Gasket gaslighting? My autocorrect is going mad today. I rather like it though...

Cesira

How many women (and by women I refer to people where the doc announced "it's a little girl!" at the ultrasound/birth) are actually housed in the "too dangerous prisoners" facility on the male estate ? None

How many have been in the past ? None

There are no women inmates in the male prison estate. FOI request to Ministry of Justice

My understanding is that there is provision for exceptionally dangerous female prisoners to be housed in the male estate, but it has never happened.

With self-Id, I suspect that the male women would be making use of this provision though. Karen White for example.

Is twitter managed by the beardy ones?

From what I've heard, yes. WokeBro Central.

I'm heading for a lifetime ban (Oh boo hoo woe is me) for reporting these dudes then?

My understanding is that there is provision for exceptionally dangerous female prisoners to be housed in the male estate, but it has never happened.

I'd have to look it up but there's a possibility it has in Scotland or NI, because they have no facilities for Restricted Status women prisoners. England and Wales have two prisons capable of housing them currently. They used to be all housed in Durham and when that closed, there were only 7 women with that status in the entire estate. I don't think there's ever been more than 20. By contrast, there are about 1,000 Category A prisoners in the male estate at any one time.

Oh, my mistake Lang.

Thought I'd read that somewhere.

From the Sunday Times, further details of Wood's offences against women and children in Bail Hostel & psychiatric wards.
(extract)
"At the time, Wood was out of prison on licence after serving part of an 18-month sentence for abusing a primary school child. He was staying at the Birch Lane probation hostel in Manchester, where Briscoe was a staff member. The rape victim was visiting one of the other offenders in the hostel.

Briscoe, who also knew Wood and had access to his record, said there was “no sign at all that he was trans”, describing him as a “very manipulative” person who would “develop relationships with vulnerable residents in the hostel and befriend them”. He repeatedly breached his probation conditions, she said, and was not recalled to prison after the rape.

Briscoe, now a senior therapist at a charity, said Wood had a history of seeking access to mixed and women’s institutions to find and abuse vulnerable people. As well as the bail hostel and the prison, she said, police told her Wood had gained admission to a mixed psychiatric ward, where he had repeatedly raped a young woman patient suffering from Asperger’s syndrome.

Further, non-sexual crimes committed by Wood include stabbing his neighbour and committing severe physical violence against his former partner, her daughter and his son. A restraining order prevented him from contacting the son until he turned 18." (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/why-was-convicted-paedophile-allowed-to-move-to-a-female-jail-nmpbfm272