Transgender inmate Karen White admits sexually assaulting female prisoners in women's estate, also guilty of rape prior to being imprisoned.

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BBC article: 'Transgender inmate admits Wakefield jail sex offences'
"A transgender prisoner has admitted sexually assaulting inmates at a women's jail.

Karen White, 51, who was born male but now identifies as a woman, has pleaded guilty to two counts of sexual touching at New Hall Prison, Wakefield.

The offences took place between September and November last year. She has since been moved to a male prison.

Details emerged when White appeared at Leeds Crown Court to admit to a rape committed before she was jailed.

She previously admitted two further rape charges, which also happened outside prison.

White will be sentenced for all offences on 11 October."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45436953

Jay Stewart of Gendered Intelligence (they that wrote the Girl Guides policy for trans inclusion) sits on the board that manages trans prisoners.

CPS Transgender Equality Management Guidance

acknowledges the input of the CPS Community Accountability Forum Transgender Equality Sub-Group:
Hal Barraclough a:gender
Penny Bassi TransWirral
Felix Fenlon Laws Training
Deborah Gold Galop
Christl Hughes GIRES
Helen Laws Laws Training
Jane McQueen Press for Change
Catherine Poulton TREC
Emma Roebuck GADD
Dr Lewis Turner Lancashire LGBT
Stephen Whittle Press for Change
Karen Sutton Mermaids
www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/assets/media/CPS%20Transgender%20Equality%20Management%20Guidance.pdf

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Trans dictionary

Weird stuff - an officer elected to represent and advocate for a group in society representing that group. See: normal stuff - an officer elected to represent and advocate for a group working to undermine the interests of said group.

Thanks littl

Exactly alice

I want MPs and every other establishment group to say this. Clearly. This policy involves women being collateral damage. This policy involves all women accepting that a proportion of them will be assaulted, harassed, abused, raped and quite possibly killed, in order to meet the wants of a tiny statistical proportion of men. Not needs, not rights, but wants. Have the guts to stand up and say it. Write it in black and white, look women in the face and justify it you utter cowards.

This.

VickyEadie

I've done some risk assessments in my time, but I reckon the one in this case was a piece of piss:

Risks of putting a rapist in a women's prison = he will rape or sexually assault the women incarcerated there.

How to minimise risks: do not put a rapist in a women's prison.

My fee is £500, please.

Feminists have been doing risk assessment for free, for decades. Women do risk assessments every minute of everyday.
You wonderful FWR posters have been doing very clear and intelligent risk assessments, for free, for years.
We get more abuse for our trouble.

The only risk assessments institutions want to do are assessing the risk to their own posteriors.

Just seen this on twitter - David Challen says:

"So over the 8 years of visiting my mother in prison when a trans inmate appears I have seen fear and heard her and others inmates verbalise it. 57% of women in prison have suffered DV. Trans women are not women. This is why!"

I doubt that is it. Most Men & boys are taught to protect females from an early age. In school used it is social anethma to fight or pick on a girl (at least when I was at school), but not a boy, inc physically weaker. Same in most male peer groups.
It isn't like anti-male Feminists claim it is.

I am guessing happened because of SJW pressure, and to protect the trans "woman" from the males in the male prison (or be away from the population). Or it was a SJW pressure thing: they have been saying for a long time that this wouldn't happen.

Crazy I agree

Most Men & boys are taught to protect females from an early age.

And that clearly works out fine.

I take it 'Karen' is not really trans. Or those victimized inmates provoked it by being hateful TERFs.

Other possible explanations:

It's because White was denied HRT and a sex change operation. (That was the excuse used in another sexual assault case.)

And - as I've read elsewhere on MN - it's not like it's an everyday occurrence.

it's not like it's an everyday occurrence

Oh for goodness sake

One of the things that stands out for me is the fact that all of these institutions and organisations have taken advice on their trans policy from Mermaids, Stonewall, Stephen Whittle etc. I can see why they would think this makes sense - these groups/ people are the "experts". What these groups have failed to do is that (a) trans issues don't only affect trans people and (b) the "experts" are in fact special interest lobbyists. So all the policies, out of which have sprung the TWAW narrative, have only taken into account one out of a number of competing interests.

Where are the Women's representatives on those advisory groups? They are nowhere because it didn't occur to the institutions / organisations that they were needed. And now questions are being asked, they are too scared to acknowledge the mistake and instead double down. The defence - we asked Stonewall. Which is also why Stonewall have so much to answer for.

Normally you'd expect questions in the house when such an obvious lack of foresight led to a violent criminal being given unfettered access to wards of new, potential victims. Victims who were trapped with a known sexual aggressor.

But all the fuckers at the top have drunk the koop aid and nobody will be asking anybody any uncomfortable questions, cos it would self-harm.

Unless some of the silenced hold-outs in various parties get brave and stick their neck out. Any candidates worth pressing ? What's the timeframe for prodding somebody to raise something at PQT ? Or are there other high profile opportunities for them to ask sharply pointed questions along the lines of "WTF are you lot snorting that has rotted your brains ?" How can they be encouraged to do so ?

Lily needs to get hung out to dry over this. But will likely stay there. Still dripping venom on females and gazing into the collective Trans navel as a full time occupation.

The first and last time I protested it was against the public order act in 80 something. I got hurt, badly enough to end up in A&E. And scared enough to pack away my placard for good. But I think it is time to dust it off. Because ... this is a fight for our daughters' and granddaughters' lives not taking a few thousand steps back.

The 70s look good for females in comparison to this rank, outrageous, deliberately obtuse bullshit.

One of the things that stands out for me is the fact that all of these institutions and organisations have taken advice on their trans policy from Mermaids, Stonewall, Stephen Whittle etc.

Gendered Intelligence are a big feature too.

Zero representation of women's interests and people in govt, civil service, small charities having been too scared to speak up has led to this happening.

Convicted rapist advising House if Lords about how they should be treated in prison. No input from or consideration of female prisoners as stakeholders. Hey Presto! Karen White happens.

From the daily mail link upthread:

She began identifying as a woman in 2014, but friends told the Sun she was not diagnosed with gender dysphoria - and was a drag artist, rather than transgender.

Rapists are put in prison to keep them away from women and as a punishment.

In 2018 the fact that a rapist's sentence is to be incarcerated with vulnerable women who can't escape, is horrific beyond words.

There are two possibilities really.

1. Some male violent and sexual offenders are pretending to be transgender in order to access victims and preferential treatment in prison.

1. The male transgender population as a whole is composed of a significant proportion of violent and sexual offenders (double the incidence of male non-trans population according to this link

If it is 2) then women would actually be safer with non-trans men in prison, rather than just men who claim to be trans.

Excellently put Popchyk.

The DM revelations mentioned upthread suggest a further possibility, i.e. that the meaning of 'transgender' has become so wide as to have made the prison service's definitions of man and women, male and female so utterly meaningless as to be useless:

She began identifying as a woman in 2014, but friends told the Sun she was not diagnosed with gender dysphoria - and was a drag artist, rather than transgender.

Stonewalls definitions of trans don't specifically include drag artists to be fair, but they do include 'cross-dressers' so presumably they're covered if they want to be?

In school used it is social anethma to fight or pick on a girl (at least when I was at school), but not a boy, inc physically weaker.

And yet, look how common it is for men/boys to gang up and for hold a victim so the alpha can land more blows.

Of course, what do I know. My feeble anecdote is that I was concussed and sustained rib fractures from a beating 5 boys from my year gave to me. No consequences as they were careful to do it outside school grounds.

If self-ID goes through, there could easily be 5% of male offenders who self-identify as women or non-binary (while they are incarcerated). Presumably this would ensure a transfer to a women's prison.

In terms of numbers, that makes 4000 inmates of the male population of England and Wales ready to transfer over if they want to. The other 76000 would stay put in men's prisons.

There are around 4000 female inmates in women's prisons in England and Wales at the moment.

So for every female prisoner, we'd have a male prisoner in women's prisons.

And of course, the male people would be much more likely to be in for violent and sexual offences.

One of the things that stands out for me is the fact that all of these institutions and organisations have taken advice on their trans policy from Mermaids, Stonewall, Stephen Whittle etc. I can see why they would think this makes sense - these groups/ people are the "experts". What these groups have failed to do is that (a) trans issues don't only affect trans people and (b) the "experts" are in fact special interest lobbyists. So all the policies, out of which have sprung the TWAW narrative, have only taken into account one out of a number of competing interests.

This is a really pertinent point. So who do we write to to strongly complain? Our individual MP's? I think this needs pursuing

Here’s what I find particularly vile in all this - was it James Kirkup or Andrew Gilligan who said they knew of a cabinet member who is too scared to talk out about self ID?
So scared they are actually standing by and watching rapist sexually assault women in prison and not speaking out.

I'm hearing Karen White was not risk assessed. He was put in women's prison and self ID and that's IT.

Oh and I've escalated my complaint to the BBC about the laughable 'reality check' piece on trans prisoners that Jane Fae clearly wrote for them.

PS concur re undue influence of trans lobby groups, who btw are also pretty much writing BBC editorial policy as well, and IPSO guidance on how these cases are reported.

There is no reason why, apart from trans lobby groups told them to, that they are using the word 'she' for starters.

I'm hearing Karen White was not risk assessed. He was put in women's prison and self ID and that's IT.

Oh no, you must be wrong about that. Because huge teams of diligent professionals assess the risk these people pose and they don't get put in women's prisons unless they are little fluffy bunnies and so THIS NEVER HAPPENS.