Transgender inmate Karen White admits sexually assaulting female prisoners in women's estate, also guilty of rape prior to being imprisoned.

[R0wantrees]

BBC article: 'Transgender inmate admits Wakefield jail sex offences'
"A transgender prisoner has admitted sexually assaulting inmates at a women's jail.

Karen White, 51, who was born male but now identifies as a woman, has pleaded guilty to two counts of sexual touching at New Hall Prison, Wakefield.

The offences took place between September and November last year. She has since been moved to a male prison.

Details emerged when White appeared at Leeds Crown Court to admit to a rape committed before she was jailed.

She previously admitted two further rape charges, which also happened outside prison.

White will be sentenced for all offences on 11 October."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45436953

Thank you.

Is that Alice Dreger's book, Galileo's Little Finger?

No, but Lawrence's Article deals with some event that, I believe, is also outlined in Dreger's book, and Dreger definitely investigated: An insane backlash against some researcher named Bailey who researched autogynephiles.
here is the article:
pfox.org/Shame-Rage.pdf

I believe the problem that no rational discussion is possible are autogynephiles who - unlike Lawrence - have not come to terms and embraced, who they are. They will raise hell to shut anybody up who says autogynephilia exists, say it is debunked (it is not), will insist they are and have always been women 'inside', will strongly advocate children transitioning and throw a hissy fit about research about rapid onset gender dysphoria, even though this research mainly focusses on pubescent females and has nothing to do with them.

Anything that in their minds threatens their identity, induces irrational rage. Talk on Twitter with anyone self-identifying as autogynephile, and you will have a rational conversation. Not possible with the denialists, in my experience.

Alice, I honestly do not know her exact path. That is her Wiki.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Lawrence

But I do believe, as a level headed scientist she concluded she was an autogynephile because Blanchard's research made sense to her and she saw herself reflected in it.

Her view is very much reflected in the titles of her writings (see Wikipedia footnotes).

But I mean, as an autogynephile you will often (not always, I guess) grow to suffer from your male body or parts of it (even if you may have been fine with it for decades before), would that then not also count as (late onset?) gender dysphoria?

It will be far more than 80 % with penises if things go on as they are. All those cross dressers under the Stonewall umbrella for a start. None of them will be lopping off the old fella.
I don’t think males belong in female prisons whether or not they’ve had SRS though. Ireland is always trotted out as an example of self id being fine, but they have strict sex segregation in prisons.

The hearing was listed as Karen (AKA David Thompson) White in Bradford Crown Court on 13/09/2017.

So presumably the judge and prison authorities were in no doubt that this was a male person. And the gravity of the rape offences plus Wood/Thompson/White's previous history of sexual abuse of a child.

And yet this person was still automatically sent to a women's jail.

Apols if this has already been said, but I just noticed that the facebook FairplayforWomen page has the James Kirkup Spectator piece quoted in full in the comments, because of the paywall. Posted earlier on friday.

Ah I don't think they should do that tbh. I get that the paywall is annoying, but we need journalists willing to cover this to get credit for it. I had to set up a direct debit today to read this! However I did send in an email saying I was only joining because of James and his coverage.

I believe the problem that no rational discussion is possible are autogynephiles who - unlike Lawrence - have not come to terms and embraced, who they are. They will raise hell to shut anybody up who says autogynephilia exists, say it is debunked (it is not),

Book published this year:
‘TRANS: Exploring Gender Identity and Gender Dysphoria. A book for everyone including professionals' edited by Dr Az Hakeem.

Dr Hakeem has written the first sections of the book explaining terms & the different gender identity conditions (see picture)

Chapter 4 is 'Autogynaephilia: The Men Who Want Vaginas.'

There are then a series of chapters contributed by people froma a range of perspectives and backgrounds.

Some of the book can be read open access: www.amazon.co.uk/TRANS-Exploring-Identity-Dysphoria-Pulling-ebook/dp/B079NHQ5H5?tag=mumsnetforum-21

background:
"Dr Az Hakeem is the top gender expert in the UK. He is a consultant psychiatrist and a visiting professor in Psychiatry & Applied Psychotherapy. He ran a specialist gender dysphoria service within the NHS for 12 years, to which patients were referred from all over the UK. He now practises in the private sector at The Priory Hospital, Roehampton, and at Harley Street and continues to work and research in the field of gender dysphoria. He is a senior clinical lecturer at the University of New South Wales, Australia.""

I don't think it is so clear cut. Anne Lawrence is an autogynephile with sex reassignment surgery.

Yes, I agree with that deepwatersolo. Autogynephilia as a phenomenon seems to be quite a varied fetish. And it progresses.

It's obviously a huge preoccupation with some transwomen - see link

www.refinery29.uk/transgender-vagina-surgery

Which, from what I can gather, is why sometimes the ultimate goal is genital surgery. In order to experience their sex life comprehensively 'as a woman'.

Blanchard writes, (on Feminist Current) I believe, that this ultimate dissatisfaction of AGPs with male genitalia is another form of gender dysphoria.

I believe he also said that sexual orientation can become blurred. In that a previously homosexual man may consider a male partner. Blanchard maintained that the male partner was merely a prop in the all encompassing fantasy of the AGP individual 'being a woman'.

And yes, the persecution of Michael Bailey is horrific.

As is the attempt to discredit Ray Blanchard.

When I first read about all this stuff and I googled AGP, the first five or six hits were all about getting turned on by women's clothes, how to trick your therapist into agreeing you need hormones/surgery. And how it's best to deny AGP as it undermines the credibility of being 'born in the wrong body'.

None of the sites were hidden, all upfront on the first page of Google.

And it gradually changed into outright denial, and the simultaneous claim that in any case women have too.

Frankly, although not uninteresting, it's not an issue that ever claimed my attention before. But the more I learnt about AGP, the more obvious the signs became.

Which has been very useful.

*hererosexual man

R0wantrees, thank you, sounds like an interesting read!
(And, yet, go on Twitter and talk about Autogynyphilia any given day and you'll get 3 people respond within an hour that Autogynyphilia doesn't exist, and they'll link you to some blog stating as much - never peer reviewed science. It is quite enlightening).

SirVix
I don’t think males belong in female prisons whether or not they’ve had SRS though.
I hear you, and the scarse data available on criminality patterns in SRS transsexuals support your view (the oft cited Swedish study'). I might consider having panels in such cases that weed out nyone with violent offences on record, if an assessment shows that this efficiently protects women, and if women who have been in prison with transsexuals see no problem with it. Why policymakers apparently don't give a shit about what the affected women have to say about the matter, is beyond me.

deepwatersolo

The book is very accessible and Dr Az Hakeem also makes clear the difference between sex, sexuality and gender identity.

I have also heard many references stating that theories about AGP being out-dated.

Its clear by the author's role and that this was published this year, it should not be so easily dismissed.

(the profits from the book go to a MH project)

What I don't really understand is, if Karen White/David Thompson is really a woman according to the justice system, then why was this person transferred to a male prison after the sexual touching/sexual assaults in the women's prison?

Why? It is either a woman or it is not, surely?

How come convictions for indecent assault of a child and an accusation of several rapes = women's prison?

But accusation of sexual assault, sexual touching = transfer to male prison?

What is the logic there exactly?

You just don't put a fox in the chicken coop do you?

Every sex offender in the country will be getting ID in a female name (very easy to do even now apparently), just in case they get arrested for their crimes.

When charged, they will say that they are female and hope to get a straight transfer to a women's prison.

Of course it will be much easier with self-ID. You'll be able to commit your crimes as a man, get arrested as a man, charged as a man, send off your declaration and then go to trial as a woman.

August 1st 2018
Claude Knights (safeguarding expert, 15 years as head of Kidscape also member of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Bullying and of the Lords and Commons Family and Child Protection Group )
on sex offenders who transition and are afforded the opportunity to change their name and hide their history as a consequence & recent case of "Christopher Noble, 32, transitioned to Christyl Knight while behind bars for keeping a stash of over 4,000 vile pictures and videos of kids as young as six months old"

“Allowing these individuals to hide a secret past is a dangerous practice.”

“Anyone who’s fuelled the vile trade in indecent images of children and therefore contributed to their sexual abuse should not be allowed to change their name.”

Source: www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3006679/paedophile-jailed-transgender-christyl-knight-christopher-nobile/

What I don't really understand is, if Karen White/David Thompson is really a woman according to the justice system, then why was this person transferred to a male prison after the sexual touching/sexual assaults in the women's prison?

That's an excellent point. One worth pressing down on the heads who are fucking with the rules and the party lines.

In this case, by their own admission the Emperor is stark block naked.

They know just as well as we do who is and who is not a woman. Despite all the TrueSpeak.

Because if a female inmate, (who had legally been that way since birth, for those now so used to TrueSpeak being forced upon us that my meaning isn't clear) attacked and sexually assaulted other female inmates they would not get shunted to the male facility.

By moving trans offenders back where they belong quick sharp only after they cause harm, they reveal what they know. And underline that they don't believe that TWAW either. All while being happy to use female inmates as collateral damage if their wokebro blinkers lead them to underestimate the risk of a TW.

And by not causing uproar that a TW was moved to a male facility after sexual crimes against female inmates in a women's facility...so too do the TRAs reveal that they know the sex of Karen White. Meaning they don't believe in the mantra TWAW either.

The very people repeating and policing the TWAW mantra keep acting in ways that underline they don't believe it either. All while demanding we genuflect at the alter of self identification, on pain of the persecution of heretics.

Hello Alice, budge over there in Wonderland. Several Nations have moved in.

twitter.com/David_Challen/status/1038013581302923264?s=19

David Challen is the son of Sally Challen who was jailed for killing her abusive husband.

Thread here where he speaks about the fear tw in female prisons induce in women many of whom will be victims of male violence.

"So over the 8 years of visiting my mother in prison when a trans inmate appears I have seen fear and heard her and others inmates verbalise it. 57% of women in prison have suffered DV. Trans women are not women. This is why! t.co/jOnAl5dYg5"

Indeed Cesira.

And well done David Challen for speaking out about this.

Jess Phillips, Labour MP has retweeted Janice Turner's article in The Times with a comment:

"This should never have happen.Those of us trying to find a way through to ensure trans/non-binary lives/services improve while also ensuring women's safety is considered this is very worrying. Anyone convicted of VAWG offences should never be allowed in a women's prison."

twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1038350610163265537

Who said what now?

And, of course, up pop the earnest woke dudes on Jess Phillips' thread to lecture women about being nice to poor victimised trans women and make wildly ridiculous comments along lines of "but,but what about women who are violent sex offenders?"

Do these men have no self-awareness?

God, including one Grant a green party candidate in Coventry.

You'd really, really think he might have an inkling that arguing for violent men to be locked in with vulnerable women might be problematic.

Another for the Green hall of shame.

I’m furious that Lily Madigon said the victims had made this up!

How dare LM as a women’s officer slander women in such a manner? LM wasn’t there so has no idea but the fact that a women’s officer is so prepared to quickly dismiss a woman’s claims because they don’t fit with LMs trans ideology surely demonstrates that they’re not fit to be in that post. A women’s officer should be up in arms about a rapist with a penis being in a woman’s prison!

A 'womans officer' would indeed be up in arms.

A 'trans woman officer' would side with the home team even if they were found standing over a bloody corpse holding the murder weapon and holding a full confession.