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First there was Jess Bradley, then the Challenors, now Edward Lord...

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PimmsnLemonade · 01/09/2018 15:10

No direct accusations against Edward Lord (the 'non-binary' freemason who is trying to remove single-sex spaces in London) but here he is describing as a "hero" a man who was a member of the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) and is a continuing "advocate" for paedophiles:

twitter.com/edwardlord/status/958632082762321922

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10948796/Paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males.html

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NothingOnTellyAgain · 01/09/2018 23:22

I'm all for moral panic when it comes to paedophilia

Call me old fashioned

bd67th · 01/09/2018 23:22

Oh good god - there are some screen shots posted on Sarge's "panties man" twitter thread that need to be seen BY EVERYONE.

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First there was Jess Bradley, then the Challenors, now Edward Lord...
First there was Jess Bradley, then the Challenors, now Edward Lord...
First there was Jess Bradley, then the Challenors, now Edward Lord...
NothingOnTellyAgain · 01/09/2018 23:26

Weirdy pervy men are in fact pervy and weird shocker.

In other news, sky blue, water wet, and women want good solid doors between them and these chaps.

Tanith · 01/09/2018 23:27

No. First there was Liam Madigan, publicly claiming to be "Savile's Apprentice".
Then there was Shon Faye and his appalling "get tits early" advice for school children.

Mrbatmun · 01/09/2018 23:28

Men are fucking weird aren't they?

ALittleBitofVitriol · 01/09/2018 23:39

Call me a bigot, I don't care. If you're a pedophile apologist then I hate you. Rationally.

Albadross · 01/09/2018 23:57

Blanchard sees them all for what they are.

ToeToToe · 02/09/2018 00:23

Blanchard does. And they hate him for it.

I'm pretty sure it was Blanchard who tweeted something along the lines "they're trying to get me off twitter, so if I disappear, that's the reason" recently. The silencing of dissenting voices is awful.

silentcrow · 02/09/2018 01:30

Dear God.

Am I mad or are these period fetishists flirting with Toxic Shock and all manner of disease risk? A constructed neovagina isn't the most bacterially balanced place as it is from all accounts; adding in someone else's bacteria, yeasts and potentially blood-borne disease like hepatitis is like playing on the motorway. I don't want to think about the bacteria from...other insertions.

Pound to a penny they won't use a condom with a partner either.

DJLippy · 02/09/2018 01:56

Good podcast here with an interview between radical feminist ecologists Derrek Jessen and Sheila Jefferies (the original terf) chatting about queer theory. Really interesting chat about the split between gay liberation movement and lesbian feminism - and the way queer theory grew out of this milleau - as a backlash against HIV
Best thing I have found so far

TimeLady · 02/09/2018 03:59

This messing about removing boundaries all starts to makes sense. Aren't Bradley and their mate, Ada Cable (co-opted onto a NUS committee at one stage, as I recall), promoting prison abolition, wanting to replace it with restorative justice?

Restorative justice brings together people harmed by crime or conflict with those responsible for the harm, to find a positive way forward.
Restorative justice gives victims the chance to tell offenders the real impact of their crime, get answers to their questions and get an apology.
Restorative justice holds offenders to account for what they have done. It helps them understand the real impact, take responsibility, and make amends.

www.gov.uk/government/collections/restorative-justice-action-plan

Yep, I can see why David Challenor might prefer that to a 22 year jail sentence.

DuckingGoodPJs · 02/09/2018 05:50

Weirdy pervy men are in fact pervy and weird shocker.
In other news, sky blue, water wet, and women want good solid doors between them and these chaps.

Oh YES!

DuckingGoodPJs · 02/09/2018 05:56

Is it just me, or does it seem that most things to do with trans/pomo are basically trying to undo everything the First Wave Feminists did (age of consent, female public toilets, female political representation)? With a side serve of undoing Second Wave Feminist gains (affirmative action > AWSL)?

Funny that.

TimeLady · 02/09/2018 07:16

Just looked up "post-modernism", and one description was that it’s when you put everything in quotation marks. Grin

TimeLady · 02/09/2018 07:16

Dammit, italic fail

ifonlyus · 02/09/2018 07:36

I was sat reading Dr EMs twitter feed last night and DH stood behind me asking what I was doing. I said reading - some shocking stuff - I'll tell you about it in the morning. I don't even know how or where to start! To say it to someone starts to sound incredible because, how can this be gong on in plain sight??!!

I'm in awe of the marvellous work being put in to disclose this for what it is.

ifonlyus · 02/09/2018 08:04

Bowlofbabelfish Darker and darker. Are our resident journo lurkers watching? An exposé on this tangled web of horror is Pulitzer winning stuff. Be brave.

I hope they are.

seafret · 02/09/2018 08:11

Re these latest tampax posts, tweets and other dots; the depths and extremes that the human mind can go to are deeply, deepy disturbing (but not surprising sadly). I don't know why we cannot say that these people need to be receiving in patient MH care, when they so obviously do, for all or sakes. There is nothing postive or bening here. I don't care whether there are 10 or 10,000 men who think like that, I do not want a single one of them anywhere near women or children (including boys)

I will probably get deleted and or lambasted for saying it, but it occurs to me that if any of this variously deviant and disturbed behaviour is/ has been going on in male toilets and in male spaces or with a view to deceiving men into sexual encounters or whatever, it doesn't surprise me at all that some men have very strong reactions to any 'male who identify as women' that displays even traces of these behaviours.

Not condoning violence at all, but maybe not all the male dislike of some transwomen is irrational, hateful, toxic-male transphobia as is often said, but actually some of it may be a strong rejection of mentally disturbed fucked up ness by some un-woke men. And there will be men who have been sexually abused as children that will find this kind of thing massively disturbing. Yes, I know we are not supposed to think about men's feelz here, but really if it is in society and affecting men, then it will affect women, and they may be our brothers, sons, cousins, DHs, fathers even. Maybe some of them knew what we are only beginning to see publically on Twitter? I don't know.

Sadly though, some men I am sure would have the problem moved to women's spaces and be happy with out of sight, out of mind.

But perhaps calling most men transphobic has been silencing men against speaking out against perversions and disturbing behaviour that they have seen? I mean it hasn't just started up because of the GRA stuff has it? The climate might be more 'accepting' (?!) and enabling now (dear deity how did we get here) but surely the propensity of certain people for certain perverted, delusional MH pathoogically awful things was always there. Now it is just in tweetable technicolour.

Maybe it was the first step (or a step) in getting to where we are now? Because certain types will use any strategy to egt what they want, even discrediting men manybe, becasue to they wanted to get here; where women are both the final hurdle and maybe the biggest/ most desired one as depsite our relative physical weakness there is no denying women's mental strength and resilience. There's an analogy there that I can't get to as I have had little sleep. Alpha and Omega or something.

I am just wondering because on trying to get my head around this and se if there are dots to join, I have been reading more on institutionalsied sexual abuse against children eg in children's homes, and there is frequently mention of cross dressing etc etc and many boy victims were disbeleived/ deliberately discredited etc. And I would guess that paedophiles would put aside whether they prefer sex with males or females if it furthers their jont cause.

Yes, of course, not all trans people or those with gender/sex dysphoria are predatory or abusive at all, and of course they may be damaged and be damaged further by how this does or doesn't link up with abusers, just as not all men are sexual abusers, but again, for safeguarding reasons, we have to be able to explore in detail and without censure what is before our eyes. If you are no harm to anyone then you will have nothing to fear from rational debate and research.

IMO we as a society need to pile a whole lot of money into MH services, safeguarding, and in taking a proper stand against damaged, perverted, abusive behaviours, committed n the main by males but with the support/ enabling of some women. It should be a source of national shame that generation after generation has to suffer any of this. I am sick of seeing people and lives destroyed.

Potplant2 · 02/09/2018 08:22

I’ve seen those period fetishists before. Hope they catch something very nasty.

One clear tell that they are men (as if we needed it) is that they all assume we get sexual pleasure from having tampons inserted. Any woman knows that if you can feel your tampon when it’s in, there’s something wrong and you’d better head to the ladies’ and sort it out. The whole point of having a tampon correctly inserted is that you can’t feel it.

EntropicTupperwareDrawer · 02/09/2018 08:23

That sheila jeffreys/Derrick jensen podcast was an excellent listen, thank you DJ. The video posted earlier of him trying to talk while some idiot shouted names at him was quite extraordinary. What did she think she was achieving?

seafret · 02/09/2018 08:23

And I am not for one second saying that the situation is the same for men as women re difficulties in speaking out etc, because it isn't and I would never say anything like that.

I am just wondering about certain more extreme types of people and their agendas. PIE etc.

TimeLady · 02/09/2018 08:59

This is an interesting analysis of a self-confessed paedophile's mindset

Yes, I DO believe we pedos have more empathy for children than the average parent does, and as such, I DO believe we are better judges, on average, of what children can and cannot handle.

"His ideology is complete. While parents are the nefarious, controlling agents of society, pedophiles are compassionate individuals who know best how early children are ready for sex."

medium.com/@harperreginald1/salon-writer-todd-nickson-in-his-own-words-why-pedophiles-are-better-qualified-than-you-to-teach-21781e6329b4

Ereshkigal · 02/09/2018 09:12

That's a good article. The only bit I would take issue with (having read the original Nickerson piece which was taken down and no longer available) is this:

In his Salon piece, Nickerson states unequivocally that it is wrong for a pedophile to act on his urges

I don't believe he did unequivocally. He said at one point that the stigma he was experiencing was prejudice against his sexual orientation and that his not abusing children should entitle him to be free of stigma otherwise what was the point of not acting on the urges and he felt he maybe should not have bothered. He also didn't quite grasp why it was wrong, which the article does discuss.

Ereshkigal · 02/09/2018 09:19

And this is pure queer theory reasoning (not saying all proponents of queer theory go this far but some leading lights do). All sexuality is valid, even paraphilias. Paedophilia in a more enlightened world where people including children are free and comfortable with sexuality and have no boundaries is just another sexual orientation. I repeat for the avoidance of doubt that not all people who espouse queer theory promote harmful paraphilias as sexual orientation.

But I will say that we had a thread on MN back when this article came out, and there was quite a lot of sympathy with his view that it was a sexual orientation and so called "virtuous paedophiles" shouldn't be stigmatised or monitored in any way. This is a dangerous path.

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