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First there was Jess Bradley, then the Challenors, now Edward Lord...

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PimmsnLemonade · 01/09/2018 15:10

No direct accusations against Edward Lord (the 'non-binary' freemason who is trying to remove single-sex spaces in London) but here he is describing as a "hero" a man who was a member of the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) and is a continuing "advocate" for paedophiles:

twitter.com/edwardlord/status/958632082762321922

www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10948796/Paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males.html

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gendercritter · 01/09/2018 15:12

You have shocked me Wink

NotTerfNorCis · 01/09/2018 15:21

'childhood’ itself is not a biological given but an historically produced social object.”

Biology as a social construct, again.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2018 15:23

Note - there are two links in the OP, I didn't spot the twitter one immediately so didn't get what Lord had to to with the Telegraph piece (from a year ago if anyone is confused by the references to cases current at the time).

Yes... seems like a strange 'hero' for anyone to espouse.

VickyEadie · 01/09/2018 15:24

It's been clear to me from the beginning that some men (NB Mumsnet - I am not saying these are trans people) with extremely dubious, dangerous intent are slyly using the push for self-id as a Trojan horse.

LemonJello · 01/09/2018 15:30

My my.

Just like gendercritter, I am also shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

hackmum · 01/09/2018 15:31

Quelle fucking surprise.

Procrastinator1 · 01/09/2018 15:37

I am concerned about this, does Lord agree with gender queer theory I wonder.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 01/09/2018 15:37

Also stunned amazed and surprised.

On a separate note
Most women and girls have very efficient "weirdy creep /perve" radars, that they start to develop from puberty, that are sending out top volume defcon one alerts quite a lot when reading about some topics these days.

Procrastinator1 · 01/09/2018 15:39

Sorry, this twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/1035445537011630080

I rather think this thread is going to go disappear.

LemonJello · 01/09/2018 15:41

Here’s a screenshot for posterity.

First there was Jess Bradley, then the Challenors, now Edward Lord...
R0wantrees · 01/09/2018 15:47

I am concerned about this, does Lord agree with gender queer theory I wonder.

Edward Lord's partner Dr Meg-John Barker wrote the BACP Best Practice guide which is strongly based on Queer Theory.

discussed on recent threads and currently under review by BACP following challenges.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3350668-The-British-Association-for-Counselling-and-Psychotherapy-have-come-up-with-Definition-of-woman

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3339137-BACP-Gender-Sexual-and-Relationship-Diversity-by-Dr-Meg-John-Barker

NothingOnTellyAgain · 01/09/2018 15:48

Oh my fuck what was that I just read on dr em twitter link

averylongtimeago · 01/09/2018 15:51

It makes me sick that this sort of thing is being normalised, what next I wonder? How long before safeguarding children is banned because its ....phobic?

TimeLady · 01/09/2018 15:52

Trying to understand Queer theory via Google - but I'm struggling. Can anyone offer a brief/simple explanation, please?

carceralfeminist · 01/09/2018 15:52

Blanchard features in that article!

After a fierce battle in the American Psychiatric Association (APA), which produces it, a proposal to include hebephilia as a disorder in the new edition of the manual has been defeated. The proposal arose because puberty in children has started ever earlier in recent decades and as a result, it was argued, the current definition of paedophilia – pre-pubertal sexual attraction – missed out too many young people.

Ray Blanchard, professor of psychiatry at the University of Toronto, who led the APA’s working group on the subject, said that unless some other way was found of encompassing hebephilia in the new manual, that was “tantamount to stating that the APA’s official position is that the sexual preference for early pubertal children is normal”.

Prof Blanchard was in turn criticised by a speaker at the Cambridge conference, Patrick Singy, of Union College, New York, who said hebephilia would be abused as a diagnosis to detain sex offenders as “mentally ill” under US “sexually violent predator” laws even after they had completed their sentences.

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 01/09/2018 15:55

How long before safeguarding children is banned because its ...phobic?

It already is!

LemonJello · 01/09/2018 15:55

I rather think this thread is going to go disappear

We’re not allowed to make any links between people who want to dismantle sex based protections for women and girls, and paedophilia.

It’s a shame Edward Lord obviously isn’t aware of the rules.

carceralfeminist · 01/09/2018 15:56

Queer theory, is completely impenetrable and basically just a way for people to pretend they're intellectually superior.

In terms of trans - the argument is that the material (sex) isn't actually real/relevance, it's all about performance (gender).
It's all about the idea that there is no "normal," and the best thing to do is blur distinctions (queering).
Or something.

Basically it's a theory coming from Judith Butler. Not science. Just bunk.

hackmum · 01/09/2018 15:58

VickyEadie: "It's been clear to me from the beginning that some men (NB Mumsnet - I am not saying these are trans people) with extremely dubious, dangerous intent are slyly using the push for self-id as a Trojan horse."

I think it's worse than that. I think the move for self-ID is being driven by men who want to abuse women and girls. There are a lot of hangers-on - the woke dudebros and the handmaidens, who think that they're being super-cool by supporting self-ID - but the actual drive towards self-ID is coming from abusers. Because otherwise there is no need for it. Genuine trans-sexuals (ie people with gender dysphoria) for the most part don't want it. So putting women and girls at risk isn't an unfortunate side-effect of self-ID - it's the entire point of it.

ShrodingersSturdyPyjamas · 01/09/2018 15:58

We’re not allowed to make any links between people who want to dismantle sex based protections for women and girls, and paedophilia.

No we certainly are not allowed to make any links between any trans 'rights' and paedophilia. Because there is no link whatsoever. In any way.

We would never dream of doing such a thing. AMIRITE?

R0wantrees · 01/09/2018 16:11

Trying to understand Queer theory via Google - but I'm struggling. Can anyone offer a brief/simple explanation, please?

I think this is a central position to the theory?

I saw Nick Matte interviewed on a Canadian TV discussion which also included Jordon Peterson, he (?) was pretty difficult to follow.

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Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 01/09/2018 16:16

I think queer theory is, at best, a way for boring heterosexuals to get to go on pride marches and be victim tourists. It also enables them to get more credibility for their dim-witted sexist and classist witterings.

At worst, it's bloody dangerous and a predator's wet dream.

HavingALittleBabyToolshed · 01/09/2018 16:25

WTF?

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Freespeecher · 01/09/2018 16:28

I remember a few years ago a Times columnist (think it was Janice Turner though I'm not 100%) writing about going on to pro-paedophilia forums and reading their justifications, which were mostly along the lines of 'The Ancient Greeks...'.

This seems to be an updating of their debating position (though still extremely morally dubious).

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