Green Party thread 3

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Previous thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3347925-Green-Party-statement-continuation-thread?pg=40

Will post links to AC's public statement and Caroline Lucas's appalling white wash job in a moment, but for me, Andrew Gilligan nails it yet again:
twitter.com/mragilligan/status/1034776005326581767

while facing charges for serious sexual assault against a minor.

Words fail me tho' it's, as ever, a fine example of minimisation. And they're hoping this will be swamped by another news story by giving themselves a reason to refuse to comment further while the investigation is in progress.

They need to announce who the independent investigator or team of investigators is.

God, how hard was that?

Could have been done on day 1.

So after all that, they have begrudgingly gone, erm we better investigate this.

I wonder how independent, independent will be allowed to be and how much of independent will be made public.

"Any assertion of fault or otherwise could be prejudicial to due process"

Oh dear Caroline. You prejudiced Due Process all over the place in the Guardian

Any assertion of fault or otherwise could be prejudicial to due process.

Shame you didn't say that about Olivia, loves.

And you might like to say any assertion of fault or otherwise by us because you aren't going to stop the rest of us talking about your catastrophic safeguarding failures by using a passive voice.

I thought any independent investigation of someone who is suspended starts from a position of saying they are innocent until proven guilty.

Does the Green Party only normally suspend people they have been judge, jury and executioner to before the inquiry has been done?

It would seem like it an admission that they do!!!

Shame you didn't say that about Olivia, loves.

It's one of the reasons that I'd like to see the investigator/s scope, remit and terms of engagement.

The GP could do with widening this to investigate whether they followed appropriate procedure and due process in their treatment of Olivia.

Again, GP - identify who the independent investigators are, and announce their scope, remit, and whether GP members and others are obliged to respond to their enquiries and cooperate with them.

What about Tina?

Is she being investigated?

Will this inquiry take evidence from Olivia? What about Andy Healey?

Btw AC is saying on twitter that they will be releasing a statement later today.

Signed by KS (AC's partner?)

AC's twitter account name has also removed the"green" reference.

Progress. I wonder whether the response to Caroline's article triggered it. Or our resignations.

Pilgrim Tucker @pilgrimtucker
THREAD:
Why has there been such a shockingly poor response from the Green Party to #AimeeChallenor crisis? Maybe the fact that all their internal communication representatives on GP Executive Committee are transgender (non-binary) trans activists has something to do with it.? 1/6
Molly Arthurs, Lee-Anne Lawrance & Tom Pashby job-share the role of “Internal Communications Co-ordinator” on the Green Party Executive (GPEx). All three identify as “non-binary”, and call themselves “they”. The GPEx is “responsible for the day to day running of the party” 2/6
So the people who control internal comms at the #Greens also control the narrative re the important Qs raised by the #Challenor crisis. This may explain why @CarolineLucas’s article failed to understand the sex-based exemptions in the Equality Act, or engage with concerns 3/6
According to the @TheGreenParty website, Aimee Challenor still retains a seat on their Executive Committee as the “Publications Co-ordinator”. With the three “non-binary” reps, far from being under represented in the Green Party, trans people seem almost over represented. 4/6
Some say there’s a trans activist take-over of political parties, allowed by gullible virtue signallers. Activists like Aimee & Lily Madigan get into positions of power then do little but undermine the rights of women & girls. Certainly Aimee rarely tweeted on climate change 5/6
All political parties must ensure they aren’t being used in a political war to erode the sex-based rights of 52% of their electorate & must ensure their trans reps& members are not above challenge or criticism. Also they must listen & engage with women’s concerns, not dismiss 6/6

You might also notice that Aimee Challenor's twitter handle now appears to be simply @aimeechallenor

Frankly if they'd done this from the start they could have avoided a lot of the negative press and anger this has caused.

So much of this is of their own bloody making and cos identity has been used as a shield to accountability.

Ever personally I think it was the statement from Pride that triggered it.

Up until that point AC was claiming ignorance of DC's crimes and in doing so the GP had an "out" as it were.

Once it became clear AC must have known as early as 2016 ie well before appointing DC as an election agent and still failing to tell the GP I think any attempt to hope this would all go away became futile.

RTB - that pilgrimtucker thread is eye-opening.

It's so simple, clever and insidiously effective if all of that information stacks up.

Why am I thinking of Wormtongue? How badly things get out of hand when you have to rely upon people you should be able to trust to filter information and handle day-to-day business for you. In no time at all, you find yourself horribly compromised and unable to find an appropriate exit that preserves your integrity.

Ok that's a start. I don't know enough about the law to say whether the 'no fault' is standard arse covering practice.

If this investigation is to have any credibility at all it needs to look beyond Aimee Challenor. I notice that for the second time, the Green Party have not repeated their original claim that no-one in the party knew about the charges against David C. I expect any independent investigation to consider whether there has been a wider cover up and, if so, root out all involved.

And yes that Pilgrimtucker thread is most enlightening.

Good spot, Floisme

I agree: an inquiry needs to look at who (if anyone) in the GP knew.

As this tumbled on, it just seems more and more incredible to think that no-one in the GP knew.

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/31/green-party-launches-inquiry-as-it-suspends-aimee-challenor?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true
Green party launches inquiry as it suspends Aimee Challenor
Deputy leadership candidate’s father stayed as election agent for 18 months after being charged with child rape

Guardian quick off the mark on this one.

One party figure said they were “agonised, horrified and furious” at the apparent safeguarding failure, and hoped an investigation would learn lessons for a party that remains heavily localised and largely dependent on volunteers.

One anonymous Green Party figure, who despite David Challenor being convicted of paedophilia, rape of a child and torture of a child STILL won't put their name out there on record as being disgusted.

What you afraid of?

If you are too afraid to speak out about a child rapist and torturer in your own party, don't you think that's giving a very real impression that the party has an internal culture of bullying and intimidation and isn't nearly as Liberal and open minded as it professes to be.

Staggering.

The Green party, which reselects its top lineup every two years, is choosing replacements for the leadership team of Caroline Lucas, the party’s sole MP, and Jonathan Bartley.

Only just noticed this. Who is tipped to replace CL ? That might feel a bit like heads I don't win, tails I lose. Because they are possibly going to inherit a party in a right furore, with lots of internal wrangling and a diminished reputation.

Red I understand it might be hard to call at the moment, but is there a real possibility they could lose their one seat ? And what impact might that have on the party when already dealing with an internal morale problem ? If the Challenor case were seen by the poltical class to have damaged the Greens badly, would they have a rethink for the sake of self preservation ?

That Guardian article is much better than their original one. And that quote from a Green Party member, even if anonymous, suggests there is quite a lot of disagreement and in-fighting going on in the party about this. Good.

CL is stepping down from the leadership to focus on being an MP.

She's not leaving the party and will obviously still be very influential as the Green's only MP.

Sian Bailey is tipped to win as Co leader with Jonathan Bartley

It depends on when there is an election and who stands.

Caroline Lucas holds the seat on the basis of a great deal of personal vote; she's quitting as leader but I don't think she's announced she won't stand for MP again. If she doesn't it might have a significant effect depending on who does.

The seat does look safe, she's got a 15,000 majority but that was based on the LDs not standing a candidate too.

With labour and the greens being increasing similar politically too, there are plenty of reasons why the greens might be concerned at the next election.

Especially if this shit show doesn't go away.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/31/green-party-launches-inquiry-as-it-suspends-aimee-challenor

Dear Caroline

Please rearrange the following words into a well-known phrase or saying:

Party brewery piss-up in a organise couldn't Green

Yours, Mumsnet